The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast

EUIC, Indianapolis, Urshifu, Whimsicott, Arceus, Suicune and more!

April 26, 2022 Brent Halliburton Season 1 Episode 83
The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast
EUIC, Indianapolis, Urshifu, Whimsicott, Arceus, Suicune and more!
Transcript
MIke:

Um, yeah, like, so 20, 20 11 Gustava one Alex, Krekeler got third. Um, and Colton Decker was top 16. Sydney was top 16, and then you go to the next year, 2012, top 16, Ian Rob beads, Joey Rudiger in juniors. Uh, Alex Shumanski gets top eight. Zachary Bokhari gets top four. Uh, David Tama habe. Who's made a little bit of a name and masters top 16 and Rob gets second. And I'm sure if I kept going, it's just like 2013, not too many people that I recognize. Oh, but wait, then you go to seniors and you have Kylin Kababi winning in the senior division. Like I dunno, like I could just keep going, but it's so funny. Yeah. I pulled up the three, four. I, I pulled, I pulled up all the different rapid strike lists that top aided because they all have their unique things. So it's probably worth kind of diving into that a little bit. Uh, I think Pedro's and towards are really, really close. Um, but I look for sure.

Brit:

I think there's a lot of, a lot of meat just in talking about the, just the, I mean, there's so many differences and Urshifu is clearly the best deck, but there's a lot of, a lot of particulars between, between the lists that did well. That are interesting in terms of just like. Uh, talking about RCS, talking about new, like, it doesn't seem like me, it was really the best deck anymore. It seems like our trophy really clearly has claimed that spot. I just don't. I just think RSTs just like doesn't have good realistic answers to fighting just like can't compete because of it. Like, I just, I just like, it's an interesting game because I don't think like, nothing, nothing seems to be everything, but it does seem like there's kind of like a kind of chain of match-ups like the other than to say, to continue from before that RCS is bad, but like, it needs like a really different metagame I think, to do well, especially too, like our food's just so like, non-committal like, you just have to, to with just this special energy and like you're good. It's not like, like the decks we talked about last week with like wanting Lycanroc that commits all this space in RCS to fighting. Whereas just like the Inteleon Urshifu. does it. It's just like a toolbox and this tool just happens to be of Emacs. So it stands out a little bit more, but I don't know. I think it's interesting. And I guess Whimsicott too, obviously. How does that, how does that factor into things now? Is it, is it a good deck? Is it just cash? The meta-game at the right time? I think all very relevant questions.

Brent:

Welcome to the Trashalanche podcast. As always attendance remains 100%. Uh, we're sponsored by channel fireball. A channel fireball is, uh, I think kind of the new website. That's like the go-to place for people to go to read lists and stuff. I felt like tons and tons of people in the credits for all the EIC lists they were posting were like, got this list from Stu fan of channel fireball. Pretty much didn't change a thing. Got this list off Alcremie it's got channel fireball pretty much didn't change a thing. Like, uh, I think it's the same people go to and you know, they sponsor us and we appreciate it. So if you went and signed up there and if you used a code trash, they would say, oh, you guys actually do do something good for us. And all that'd be really super nice. Um, no five star reviews. If you leave a review, we will read it on the pod. Uh, um, Dan huger, we still have not forgotten you. Um, and I saw that you like, uh, had a decent showing at UIC. I don't remember what it was, but I remember reading about it, which was nice. Um, Uh, we're going to do some sort of a lifeblood thing at a tournament coming up a more detailed forthcoming that I think is the big, big news. The other big news is UIC is behind us. Indianapolis is ahead of us. Uh, Brett, I don't know if you had this feeling, Mike, I don't think you can have this feeling yet, but I just want to let you know that it's coming anxiety about deck choice, man. I'd almost forgotten what that looked like.

Brit:

I don't care enough to, I think get anxiety at this point, like I'm preparing and I want to do well, but the stakes are very low. Like, especially too, I haven't particularly performed well. And I mean, I made top 32 at one of the last free throws I went to, but like just haven't really been playing, uh, all that much consistently. Um, but yeah, if I, if I like this, it's to be a success for me, but I like, I guess to, I guess maybe the. Explain a little more. Like, I just clearly, like, I really thought that they would do something with the championship points. Um, you know, I think, I just don't think they are at this point. I think it's too late. I think they had their, they had opportunities to change it. And with the like continued publication of stipends and things like that, I just, I'm not expecting any championship points. And so it's like disappointing and I'm sure it is for like other players that are like, they're just, there just, wasn't a realistic path for me to qualify for worlds. Like I could probably go to like triple the regionals that I'm going to now. Like, I like have the means to do so, but it's just not worth it to be like, I'm not trying to qualify for worlds like that hard that I have to go to all of these regionals, especially when a lot of them are like, back-to-back-to-back, that's, that's difficult when. Old like me and have dogs and stuff. I just think too, it's it's like all the, a lot of the players were, are so sort of prominent and good now, or like, I just, like, they're doing it at the right time. That's just like when you're in college and just don't have a whole lot else going on. Like, I just can't even fathom traveling like I did before. Um, now just, there's just not the time for it, but all that to say, like, I just, I would love to win, but my expectations are pretty low. So hopefully not a lot of

Brent:

say there's no realistic path, but I've been an advocate of the unrealistic path. For some time, you're going to win. Indy wins the caucus done.

Brit:

Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a tall order for me to win my first regionals and then doing the second one right after. But I don't know. We'll see. I'm like I'm enjoying playing. I'm enjoying, preparing and looking forward to competing. I think I took that test and talked to a hand. Everyone I talked to is smart and I think we'll have good plays. Just sort of iterate on what their thoughts are and we'll see where it goes. But I think, I think the format is in a pretty good place. And far as far as like, I think most of the net, most of the match-ups are pretty dynamic even though like, you know, the talk of the town, I guess, is how well Urshifu did in, um, Germany, I guess there's maybe two ways to break it down. One is that it seems clear that it beats me, but like, there's just a lot in the two, like, but there's just a lot of different ways to play the Dulles, like between like Raul his group, Alex, Szymanski his list. Um, Gustavo's towards, I mean, the core is obviously the same, but there's just a lot of, a lot of very small differences, a tech here, a tech there that all seem to differ throughout them. Um, and I think that's really interesting, but I mean, I guess to come back to the more general point about the format is I think that I'm not sure about RCS. RCS is match-ups I think are a little more polarizing, but like, um, like Urshifu versus mew, I think is a pretty dynamic matchup. I think it can go either way, really, depending on what, the way the cards are drawn and just kind of the cadence that either the players have throughout the game. Um, and then whims the cut to being like, I dunno, like I was interesting. We saw, it seemed like it would be a free win for frame and then Gustava still ends up beating him even on like, he had awkward draws, but like the games were still really ended up being pretty close. Um, so the matchup doesn't seem unwinnable either and it was perhaps there's currently content for it. So. Yeah, I'll have to say is, I think it's a good format for now. I'm not just in the mystery is how, how can RSUs adapt to so much fighting?

MIke:

Yeah, I, uh, I have been feeling a little bit of that deck pressure though. Mostly though in the sense that. I still need to buy cards. So like I got to decide sometime in the next, maybe like weeks or so. What am I actually going to buy? I bought like a lot of like commons and uncommons, but I haven't bought very many, um, the max would be star card, so I kind of got to decide, am I going to buy new cards or am I going to buy RCS cards? Or am I just going to stick with my $5 rapids Trek, Mount Marr deck?

Brit:

I guess this is maybe something too. This is where my anxiety does come out. I might not have like choice anxiety, but I can't, I couldn't ever possibly just buy one deck. I like, I buy every day more or less. So like in my card buying for preparations, I have like, I have everything. I just ignored you just sort of like, I'm not gonna, I don't really do it. Not gonna bother. And also justified, like it's on the pricier side of these decks and I'll just ignore that one for now. Um, but yeah, that's and that's just me. It was like a player I hate and it's to a detriment to. Change necklace that the last second for something bad, because I see like one player in a sea of 300 playing like my bad up things like that. But that, yeah, that is that. That's where my anxiety is coming out. I might not be sweating the deck choice the night before, but in terms of the preparation for actually finding the cards is something that does worry me and something that's like a recurring nightmare. I have

Brent:

Uh, I mean, th there's no question. I am really, really anticipating that full grips, going to get some of my money in like 10 days.

Brit:

Oh, the, there, we should talk about that. They're just like order and pick up there is just like, what a, what a game changer, everyone. Everyone should do that. Like, I, I would probably wouldn't have even ordered as many cards as I have knowing that was an option. I just don't like having to go from vendor to vendor, trying to track down like that last thing you're looking for. So, but if you can like make the order in advance, it's just easier. And then you don't have to worry about like traveling you're tracking down any odds and ends.

Brent:

Yeah, I, you know, I'm, I'm trying to be a good parent for this tournament. Like I recognize in, uh, in any other timeline, this would be Liam. Liam would be a master now, right? If they hadn't pushed the age limit back a year, he'd be a master. So I, I told him, uh, you get on the internet and buy all the cards. I'm not going to get involved in buying cards. I'm not going to, you know, like, I'm not going to give you a lot of budgetary guidance because I recognize, Hey, we've saved a lot of money, not buying cards for like two weeks. And you probably just like, I'm sure we need a lot of cards, but, uh, I sense there's gaps. Like I tried to encourage him to be aggressive because I think he like, kind of looks at a cart and says, man, that's a bad card. I would never possibly put that in my deck. Whereas me as a parent beforehand, I would be like, so conservative because I always felt like I'd be the worst pair in the world. If my kid is like, I need this card for my deck and I didn't have the card. I'm like, oh my God, I'm the one who's like preventing my child from doing well at this tournament. But now like he's going to take responsibility and then he's going to get there. And he's going to realize that his cavalier approach was still the stupidity. And, and we're going to end up at full grip, like forking out money left and right. Because like, you know, we were going to find out whatever the secret deck is and we're going to be like, well, we don't got those cards. And then, and then, you know, Half of them will already have been sold out because everybody else already on the secret thing. And we found out about where the last people shouldn't find out. So it's going to be a, it's going to be a real train wreck, but I did, we had, we placed an order like a week ago and then Sunday night I was like, okay, you got to go through all these lists that are all over Twitter now and try to calculate the Delta and put on another order. And so we did, if we get there,

MIke:

So speaking of, uh, Liam, before we get into the meat of everything else that UIC, how interested is he in Sander's new control deck?

Brent:

you know what I mean? I think I've said frequently, like one of the weird things about navigating from, from like junior to masters, like juniors, they just play whatever deck, like masters one, the last tournament with right there. Like that's the BDIF I'm just gonna play it. And then, and then masters play like the counter or the counter to the camp. And seniors, it's a little bit weirder of a mishmash because like many of them are trying to find their own places, a deck builder. So they play these like weird monstrosities instead of playing the Metta, just, just because they're like teenagers. And my son is right at the head of that stupid pack. Uh, we have now played three straight online tournaments playing Inteleon control and he goes one, two, drop it every single time. It's, it's really, it's like floats soul, uh, uh, Inteleon scoop ups

MIke:

Okay. Gotcha.

Brent:

it's, uh, I mean, I've already told you everything you need to know about that. He's gone. 1, 2, 1, 2 drop, every single he's that are with it. Uh, um, you know, uh, today's today's online turnout. He was in the cardio tournament and he's currently two and oh, with something that is like RCS, baby. Jolteon. As some attempt to like regulate all the Urshifu and RCS techs, the play Inteleon.

MIke:

Interesting.

Brent:

I mean, round one of the guy knows, showed around to the guy was playing like rapid strike Mallomar and it turns out are good meds. I don't think anything else.

Brit:

It seems like, like the, the Jolteon like, I, I, I think it just seems worse than like you can just play Avery and like maybe do like, be frustrating similarly against Inteleon index. Like I think that that's another story I think coming out of UIC is I think Avery is actually just a really good card. Like, I mean, I guess maybe it hasn't really been a secret for awhile. I think the first time I saw it pop up, it was like really early, under the brilliant stars for my one grant. I think he won that online tournament with RCS drought on and was playing them there. But yeah, it does seem, I mean, I tested this weekend and I was, I was very impressed testing with it. It's a very frustrating card to deal with.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. I leave, it's playing multiple Avery's in the deck because he's trying to play all the cards. People hate people playing. Uh, but, uh, you know, I think, um, the, the standard is really interesting. I think it was V like single most streamed game. Of all of the games that Pokemon TCG like stream, like most viewed stream and on the one hand, and that's a credit to standard being a mad man. And like, people are just absolutely fascinated by how you, you already know like what's going to happen every game. I also, I know, like when I was commentating Pokemon regionals, people would always say like, have you asked chip? You'd be like, oh guys, we don't want to stream this like Zorro control deck. No, one's going to want to see this and me. I was always like, I love it. I think people find it fascinating to watch these like this like horror show unfold. Um, uh, you know, uh, maybe Sandra makes it fun to watch.

MIke:

Yeah, Well, I think it's probably, if you had to stream that every single round or a bunch of times throughout a tournament, it's probably too much, but you know, doing it once or twice throughout a tournament is really

Brent:

you have to show Sandra at some point, cause like he's doing, he's always doing a thing. Right. But I think Liam's reaction to the Sander thing. And this is true for the other. He felt like Sanders Liverpool list, which obviously performed much better. Like you top eight at Liverpool. Um, Liam's reaction was the Zoroark engine seems like a little brittle for like getting stuff out. And his reaction to this thing was, you know, Sandra is obsessed with this elder gods loop and Liam doesn't love it to death. So, so he's probably not going to get on the standard train.

MIke:

gotcha. That was a cool deck to see though, for

Brent:

It was, it was super cool.

MIke:

Yeah.

Brent:

mean, it just goes like it's, it's an interesting question. And I guess that's what everybody was trying to figure out is like, how do you introduce recursion? Because we're definitely in a place. Uh, in, in like theoretically a good place for stall decks because it's to hit Metta, right? Like there's, there's lots and lots and lots of Pokemon out there that are extremely difficult to one-shot.

MIke:

Yeah.

Brent:

And, uh, you know, when you're in a two hit Metta, some sort of stall Beck seems like a super-friendly thing. The problem is you need to be able to introduce some sort of recursion and, and, you know, trust Sandra to crack the code on that. So really, really cool. And I recognize Liverpool didn't have a stream, so we never got to see Sander do his like wacky wacky thing.

MIke:

Right. Both decks. I will say, seem to have quite a, I mean, and it's the nature of the controlled deck, but specifically Sanders control decks. They have a lot of different lines, um, to take, which is cool. Like the single strike energy, for example, on this deck could be used. It's, they're probably primarily used to just discard through tower of darkness, but I'm sure there's lots of games where Sander one taking prizes, you know, pairing up and Umbrian and winning the game that way. Um, so it's just cool. Like that's just one example of a cool line that I'm sure comes up all the time.

Brent:

Yeah. Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. Um, so how much are you? I see that you guys want.

MIke:

I watched a good amount. I didn't see that much on Friday cause I was working, but I watched most of Saturday and I watched the finals. So Yeah, I saw, I saw probably over two thirds of in total.

Brent:

Yeah, I saw, I saw a lot of Friday. I saw Sander and I didn't see too much Saturday and Sunday, we were busy doing stuff.

MIke:

Um,

Brit:

watch too much Friday any, I can't even, I can't remember if I did. Um, but I had it on throughout the day, um, on Saturday and then woke up in time. For most things. It was just sort of happen happening naturally for me, it was great people. Like I had to stay up all night and I was just like rolled out of bed and Frank was on and it was great.

Brent:

All right. Should we, should we talk about, uh, yeah, it definitely, definitely. I thought the best thing about, uh, um, streaming European games, I woke up and like games were wrong, you know?

MIke:

Yeah. Yeah.

Brit:

It's like a, I don't know if you tennis and Wimbleton or anything like that. I might tend my family just that it's always on really early in the morning.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. That's my, my, when I was a little kid, we would definitely wake up and like you're right in the middle of Wimbledon and it's uh, it's good times. Uh, yeah, that was a super, super strong.

MIke:

Yeah, I will say before we talk about decks, just one thing, I said this on Twitter, but I was really impressed with the stream overall and, uh, from a lot of different perspectives, I think the gameplay itself was really well done by like most, almost every player on stream I thought played extremely well. Um, which you don't always see, like it was very, very high level play. Um, you got to really see how match-ups played out in different lines and maybe that's, uh, maybe that's partly to do with it's a more mature metagame so people know how to play the match-ups. They built their decks to do certain things and they know the lines better than they did throughout the last month or so. Um, but the, the gameplay was super good. The commentating was awesome. The production value was one of the best streams. In, in wild maybe ever. Um, yeah, I was just kind of really impressed with the whole thing. And I'm glad that, uh, Pokemon was able to kind of come back from after the pandemic and put on such a strong viewing experience.

Brent:

Yeah, totally, totally agree. Really, really good. Really good stuff.

MIke:

Yeah. All right. Let's we want to talk about Urshifu.

Brent:

Let's talk about Urshifu Urshifu one. We should talk about Urshifu

MIke:

Yeah,

Brent:

and Urshifu didn't just win. It was like, there were a million different Urshifu lists and, and I think the question before us is what, what the heck are people supposed to do? Right.

MIke:

yeah. And I do want to say like parsing out how much Urshifu success is the deck versus the players is a little tough and as it always is, um, because. The best, all the best players, pretty much in the world chose to play this deck pretty or not all of them, but like a very large quantity, Right. Like the best group in Europe decided to play this for the most part, one of the best groups from north America decided to play it. Um, and then Gustavo decided to play it. So obviously the deck is very, very good if these people decided to play it, but the, the gets magnified by these players playing it. It's kind of like a chicken and egg thing. Um, So uh, yeah, so looking at the different lists, I don't even know where to start. Um,

Brent:

I thought, I thought it was a prescient medical by, toward to play the, uh, the Manaphy.

MIke:

Yeah. yeah. For the mirror, that's it? Yeah. It's very funny right. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's, let's start at the top. Let's start with Gustavo. He won. So I think some of the things that stand out to me that are different is he played the Moltres V that's a pretty big difference. He's the only one to play that he played a Crobat V which I believe he is the only one to play that as well. Um, and then he played the double Moltres, which he's, I think Isaiah and Justin also played double Moltres, but, uh, toward, in pager did not. And then he has to Avery, which is, as Britt said, a standout in general, but if you stop playing, two of them is a pretty interesting, like a bunch of, one of supporters in this, the only support area decided to play two of his Avery. He thought It was that strong, uh, India as a appears as well. Um, so I feel like those are, I'm sure there's other differences, but those are like, I mean, it's a lot of differences. But those are the big ones. I think the biggest one to me is the Moltres V that stands out a lot to me.

Brit:

It was really good for I'm in finals now under how, how much of a factor that was it not existing in most of the other lists, if that was hard to say, Frank straws were not nearly as good as I'm sure they usually were, but at least it seemed to make a big difference when I was watching. It's just like something that can hit pretty well. And doesn't really offset your prize exchange because you just kind of have to figure out how, how, and when, if you can use the Urshifu. Um,

Brent:

I'll let you interact with basic energies, right?

Brit:

no.

MIke:

And like I saw when I was watching his top four match against the mew player, um, he, I don't remember if he ended up actually using the Moltres V in this situation. I could see it being useful is what if the new player goes first? One of their best things to do on the second turn is to, or even if they're going to need from you is going second. The best thing that they can do on their first turn is Elisa sparkle on take a knockout often on a Sabal with the basic movie. Um, cause that's putting like a pretty good amount of pressure to take it a prize. Uh, it is a little bit squishy. It's it's a little bit weak, um, and someone easy to kill, but for most of these Urshifu decks, they're not going to be able to kill a movie on the second turn of the game and. Gustavo cat. He can, you know, he can play the Moltres V down. He can use its ability. You can Reihan, he can attach just kind of all out of nowhere. Um, and I think that's like pretty strong, uh, to really put a lot of pressure back on the new player, because now at most they have one in the field. Um, and then, then they take two prizes and now your baby Moltres is oh, one chatting stuff, the rest of the game. Um, so I'm sure it was, uh, really, really good in the new metric for sure. What else Gustava did not

Brent:

of Snorlax Snorlax, obviously it's like a card that was not in the list previously and, and Isaiah plays the double mew instead of the Snorlax.

MIke:

right?

Brent:

Do we have any strong opinions on that?

MIke:

Um, listening to Isaiah talk. He talked about you a bit in like one of his post-game interviews and he sounded like he was in love with it. So that's worth noting. Um, they do play the one air balloon to accompany the mew, which makes sense if you're, if you're going to play the music. Um, I don't know. My initial instinct is like, if you're playing to mew, why don't you just play? One-on-one like, why don't you play one Snorlax? Wouldn't you? That's kinda like my first thought, you play, you play enough. One of, of other cards, like.

Brit:

Not playing Snorlax seems wrong to me from just like all the, all the games I watched. There's just like so many, especially the ones of Gustave on top cat. Like almost every single first turn you just go for the Snorlax, like I've thought about, um, something I've wanted to try or from my suing games. I wonder if you could play a small relax in there and go up to like fourth net. So I just like the more, instead of kind of like, the research, just kind of another, another card for you to draw out of the hands that are just like a little too slow for like the turn to drizzle to get you out of it. Um, but anyways, it's probably, probably not good and see we can, but clearly very good in the stack and the way, the way it functions was it support count. And it's a. It's more like the support us themselves, or search more Pokemon to obviously the suit conduct doesn't do anything like that. And the Sonja count went up in general in these lists from, from Liverpool as a lot of them rocking two now, instead of one, um, which again is going to help you get to that, uh, Snorlax a lot faster for the turn one play.

MIke:

Yeah, that's another interesting thing that so toward, in Pedro both played the double Sonya Gustavo capital one, and then Justin and Isaiah didn't play any, they opted for the research instead of the Sonya kinda in that spot, it looks like, um, and the, and the bird keeper, or I guess they all have a bird. Except Gustabo, but toward him, Pedro had a bookkeeper, but so it's funny. I feel like that's a very, um, European versus American philosophy on deck building. The Europeans are like, I wanna play Sonia, you know, searches these cards out. I know exactly what I'm getting and the Americans are like, let's draw seven cards.

Brent:

Yeah, I thought it was interesting, man. I think my, my reaction when I thought about it was a little bit like, uh, obviously I Isaiah's tested crew, had the one-on-one biblical with RCS in, uh, salt lake and like, they continue to look for more draw, like more ways to get cards besides just the Inteleon line.

MIke:

Yeah,

Brent:

Like they're like, wait, we just need to get cards in our hand at every turn I'd like to get another card, plus whatever I ended up doing with the Inteleon line.

MIke:

yeah, yeah. Okay, this is interesting. Something I did not notice. Well, so a couple of things I did notice that Gustavo is not playing that other people played. Um, he doesn't have the Hoopa, so he's not getting like, you know, it doesn't have the ability to hit, um, like against me, for example, one of the lines is to hit a mellow ETA for 70 cause they have Oricorio out and then you're able to yoga loop later on in the game, wait to see, not even play Mehta Chan, so he doesn't even play Mehta champ. So Gustavo's list is very different in that sense. He doesn't, he's much less of a check meaty deck and more of a toolbox deck where you're just, you just are playing two good types. You're playing, fighting and dark.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah, he was, he was just like, I kill RCS and I killed me. It was the game.

MIke:

Oh, interesting. Okay. I think that's actually a really significant difference. So he doesn't have the Hoopa and the Mediterranean, um, and he doesn't have the rapid strike Inteleon for kind of similar reasons. Right? Why would you play rapid strike Inteleon if you're not playing, uh, Metta, CHAM and Hoopa to kind of set up those yoga loop plays, um, there's something else and he doesn't have pacinian so that's kind of the other thing. Yeah. Um, so all of those, that's a kind of package right there, right? Like Metta jam, Hoopa, Simeon, um, telescopic sight. And if you're not playing one of those things, then you probably shouldn't play any of them. So Gustava recognize that and just kind of cut that whole package where the other things had petty eddies played. Did any of them play telescopic sites? I know nobody played telescopic sites interested in.

Brent:

Yeah, zip is obsidian,

MIke:

Yeah.

Brent:

but, but, uh, yeah, that people weren't trying to do that thing. Right.

MIke:

So I wonder how that changes the dynamic of the new matchup, because didn't it, they, they played, it had deliver pool, right? I'm not crazy.

Brent:

Yeah. They like the Simeon double telescopic site Zigzagoon package where you're like 180, 180 10 yoga loop.

MIke:

yeah. They did play the telescopic site there.

Brent:

Yeah.

MIke:

So that's like a pretty, that's taking a very different, uh, approach, I think, to the new match-ups, I'd be interested in hearing why they drop some of those cards and why. Uh, it kind of feels like half in, as I just said, like they have, uh, they, they have Metta champs still and they have Hoopa, but they don't have all of the pieces to do these big plays. So, Yeah. I dunno. I wonder if Gustavo's his approach is just better to just like drop them all. Don't play any of those cards and just play more like dark cards essentially.

Brent:

Yeah. And then, and then Isaiah played the double training court versus everybody else playing. Uh, oh wait, I guess did PA oh yeah, everybody else played a tower, one tower of water. Right.

MIke:

Right, right, right.

Brent:

And then Pedro played an echoing horn.

MIke:

Yeah. I remember when I saw him shuffling and I saw that I was like, man, how is he fitting this? Yeah. That's I mean, it's cool. It makes somewhat sense. Um, and then toward and Pedro, the only ones that kept the Octillery and Pedro played L the gas switch. I don't think I saw it hit the field. Um, maybe one game I saw it hit the field, so I don't know about that card, but

Brent:

Yeah. I mean, this is, this is not dissimilar from the biblical tack. Like there you're like, I just need to, I need a little more cards than just playing Inteleon every turn.

MIke:

Yeah. I guess so, but it's just, oh, oh, wait. I thought it was a coming into play ability. Oh, no, it's just one student your turn. Oh,

Brent:

Yeah, Yeah, no, you can use it every turn it's it's it's uh, it's not bad

MIke:

Okay. And I knew the basic is pretty good. Um,

Brent:

toward had been testing it on stream a bunch.

MIke:

um, Yeah. It's like another good starter to cause like your ideal turn one is just usually keep calling and this is just better than keep calling.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. It's got, it's got a really good, uh, attack, right?

MIke:

Yeah. So Mike, I wonder if they just started, like, they started testing with just the one of gossip floor and then they're like, oh, lb. Gus is pretty good too. Let's also try that.

Brent:

I assume if they were like, just looking for call for families kind of stuff, there's probably something better, you know? I don't know. Yeah. It's an interesting question.

MIke:

what else we got? Oh, I, I know the Crobat V is mostly there to draw cards, but you guys saw Gustavo attack with it and the finals. Yeah, that was cool. And it was like, good. It was like definitely the play. When I saw him do that, I was like, yes, I don't think I would've made that play, but that was the play, which was cool.

Brent:

So. Should we talk about Windsor cotton now.

MIke:

Sure. Yeah. Let's talk about, well, let's just, okay. Well just last thing about rapid striker strikers. Um, just to kind of wrap it up. I think conclusion is like nobody knows what the, uh, what the best list is. And I think that that gives the deck like actually a pretty significant advantage in a closed necklace tournament. There's all these lists out that you sit across the Urshifu, there's so many different cards that they could be playing or not playing. There's probably like 80 cards. Do you have to play. If you're playing against them, which is insane. And that's like really, really difficult to play against in a tournament. Um, and your opponent knows exactly what they have and you know, if you're playing a fairly standard deck, like a mewed deck or NRCS deck, really, they're going to like, be able to kind of know, 55 out of your 60 cards within a couple of turns. And you're going to, it's going to take you two games to like, get to like 50 of the cars. So I think that's just worth thinking about as you're, as you're testing, uh, that there's a lot of variability in these lists.

Brent:

So Whimsicott, obviously Frank goes on a super legendary run. Uh, people love seeing, uh, Frank decks do Frank deck things, um, uh, is slightly different. Women's caught list also, uh, a very, very slightly different, um, uh, one the late night tournament. And then there was a Shadow Rider, whims account list that I think they too had also, right.

MIke:

Yeah, counterfeiting.

Brent:

around the tournament. What is the con.

Brit:

the component is deck doesn't seem good to me, but

MIke:

Who's that Connor. stack.

Brit:

Yeah. To Shadow Rider. Like I understand, like I do think that like the pairing naturally solves issues that the two of them have, but I just don't think Shadow Rider is a viable card in the star, in the meta game where the dark, where a dark basic takes through prizes on you. You're just so much more, you're not nearly as efficient. I mean, I'd be curious to know how, like, how he did and what the math were and what would improve the, we just don't think, like, I actually do think like if the list. Magically was consistent. I think it would be very good, but I just don't think it is his list of kind of clunky. Um, I just, I would think that just the straight ones, the cop probably just does the job does a similar job, but, um, just without the frills, it's like Frank's list is just so simple, very clear what it's going to do.

Brent:

I mean, the, the liberal provides, uh, at least as good a drawing engine, um, and doesn't bleed prizes and like make, match-ups like somewhat worse in some ways.

MIke:

right, exactly. Like, especially with dark being a very good type from you, like leaving a three Prizer that's weak to dark seems not that good. And like when Scott's not shutting off Moltres the baby mantra, so they can pretty easily just go baby Moltres, boss up a Shadow Rider and take three prizes. So, Yeah. I agree. Um, do you know, do you guys know if then again, Daniel Lynch's list was very similar to Frank's? Do you know.

Brit:

I don't think so. I think they just came up with, they came to similar conclusions. Um, I think it's similar, but I don't know. I don't think he was in on the deck, but I could be wrong.

Brent:

Oh, I, for some reason, uh, I was under the impression they were playing

Brit:

No, cause I don't think he credited them like in with like, cause there was this, Cyrus was the other person, I think playing it with them.

MIke:

Right.

Brent:

maybe that was it. Maybe that was it.

Brit:

I think, I think they like new. They like, it wasn't a secret. They knew that they were both playing it. But from what I understand, which is mostly the speculative, I think they just came up with the same deck separately, more or less.

Brent:

Okay. So, uh, the starting the starting point for talking about wins that got, that I wanted to ask you guys is, um, I assume despite incredible success. On one of the biggest stages in Pokemon, um, uh, two weeks later Frank's going to have a completely different deck for India, right? Like, like I know, I feel like I've always told people, like, I, I remember having this exact conversation with, uh, um, Isaiah after he won Australia. Uh, and he was thinking about running like Zororoc instead of zap dose. And I was like, dude, you got to keep riding the horse that got you there until it stops getting you there. How can you stop? And, uh, yeah. Yeah. But, but that's not gonna stop Frank from having, uh, just an absolutely wild a brand new deck. And, uh, just a matter of days,

MIke:

Yeah, that's probably true. Yeah, It'll be really interesting to see how much of a factor this ends up being in the meta-game going forward, because it has a lot of, it has all of the disruption tools, right? It has a bunch of energy removal. It has Path to the beak. It has a couple of those eateries has obviously whims the cods attack. So it's like a very good disruption deck. I just don't know if it's, uh, you know, in disruption deck that other decks can figure out how to play against without changing too many cards, or if they have to really alter their deck in order to compete with it.

Brit:

Yeah, I think that, I think it's a real deck. Like I, I think that it will continue to be like a meta-game presence. Um, I do think it will get worse as, um, definitely new place, basic energy, obviously. Um, and I think can be okay against it. Um, I'm not too sure if it's, I mean, I guess that doesn't even just say like the issue for matchup is bad. We saw your stuff, I in the finals. Um, so maybe that's not really anything I have to worry about, like, cause you don't really want to use new all that much anyways. And so being locked out of the rapid strike energy, it doesn't really matter. Um, but I'd have to think. I'm sure. I'm sure like Frank would have thoughts on, um, sort of how it stays in the meta-game.

MIke:

Yeah. Like one card that would be easy to tech in. And I, and I don't know if it's worth it, but like he, if Frank played a choice belt, like then you can one shot the Urshifu. Um, but like you said, do they even want to go for Urshifu in the matchup? So maybe it's just not worth it. Um, I'm a little surprised that he beats so many RCS RCS just in general. It seems like it would be on the tougher side because once that first double Turbo, like they're gonna get the first double Turbo in theory off. Right. Um, because they just attach it before you attack. And then after that, they don't really require a special energy. So. I'm interested to just hear how generally he plays against RCS, because I don't know in my head it doesn't seem like a great matchup, but I could be wrong.

Brent:

Yeah. So the whims of cotton lists that one, uh, late night, 36 last night was exactly the same list as Frank's list, but they cut the two ESP shares for two choice belts.

MIke:

Interesting.

Brit:

Um,

MIke:

The XP share seems really good though.

Brit:

yeah. Mean, I guess you can't play them both. It's awkward. Maybe the, the deck could use the, the shopping center that Sanger played. I even saw there was a meal list I saw, I don't think it was from you. I see. But it was playing the heroes metal with shopping center as its stadium.

MIke:

Yeah. That's funny. Hopefully we'll get more context that women's the cut. What about any other decks? Any other decks that we want to talk about? I want to, oh, I want to mention Mallomar did bad, right? Mallomar did really bad. There's one in top 16 and that might've been like

Brent:

that's the show. Sub Simons who got 51st with Palomar.

MIke:

Okay. So two made day two.

Brent:

Well, you know, I, I assume in a field of rabbit strikers, it was, you're like, wow, this Palomar is a tough stuff. That cool.

MIke:

Yeah. I mean, in theory, maybe they didn't play Manaphy, but in theory Manaphy should be really good in that matchup because you also have. Like you want, you played the, the recursion cards anyway, you play to rescue carriers and ordinary rods. So even if they target down the Manaphy, you just eat very easily to get it back. So in theory, a Manaphy should fix that matchup actually. Um, he, they can do the yoga loop play, but the way that all of these of us were built, they can't really do it. They don't, they

Brent:

Yeah, the guy that got 12 did not play the Manaphy and his comment was got 12 because I dodged the

MIke:

okay. Oh yeah. That's funny. Yeah. So, I mean, Mallomar

Brent:

I assume said did not judge the Urshifu and that's how you

MIke:

that's why he did not get that 16. Yeah.

Brent:

There's been 12 and 51st.

MIke:

Yeah, wait. Okay. Oh, I see. I see him on PTCG. Uh, let's see. So he lost to Dirella Don hound doom. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. Titum you lost to AMU entitled you. Okay. So mew was his kind of bad matchup, which, uh, makes some sense. Yeah. I don't think Mallomar is better than like, definitely not better than 50 50 against mutant. Um, but maybe, maybe as the metagame shifts and as Britt said, like mew kind of has to play basic and, or, you know, they kind of got to play basic energy now and playing less double Turbo is a consequence of that and double turbos kind of what makes them, you matched up really good for Mallomar cause. Or the better against Mallomar because then they're able to chain, um, shuffle and psychic leap, uh, more often. So it'll be interesting to kind of see like how lists even if, you know, decks don't change lists will change based on Urshifu and whimsical not doing well. And then that has an impact that has like a trickle down impact into what other decks can do. Well, um, kind of similar. Um, I also kind of like sweet Coon right now, but one thing that I'm really thinking about is Avery just did really good and Avery seems really bad first week.

Brit:

Yeah.

Brent:

Yeah.

MIke:

So, that's like making me not, and, and it's also really bad for Mallomar too. So like, I dunno like these are, these are things that you gotta think about. It's not just the decks. It's also the cards in the decks, uh, and how that affects other decks.

Brent:

So, uh, um, people that are starting to think about Indianapolis, Like, I guess one question is if you were going to start, I assume, let's assume they're not going to play rapids right here, shoot, but they want to have it in their testing circle. Is there a list you think they start with? Like, I assume when you're testing, you're like, okay, step one. I should just build one of these lists.

MIke:

Personally, I'd probably build Gustavo.

Brent:

interesting. then where, where do you think people, where do we think? I mean, do we have any hot takes on where the meta goes from here? I think it's interesting. Like, obviously you mentioned sweet Coon as a possible place. Xero's we couldn't have 64. Right. But, but that, that might just be as be as much a function of like, oh no, that's not true. Gino PIL plays 46 weekends

MIke:

Once we could in

Brent:

go Geno. Um, but, but like, as you said, the good players did not place weekend.

MIke:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Like I like sweet Coon, but not, I'm not convinced like either way that it's a fantastic play. Like I said, Avery is pretty bad for it. You kind of have to play Manaphy now. And like the combination of like, that's something else to consider, right? So the Urshifu decks play Avery. So you have to put your Manaphy on the board. And then they can play Avery on you and you might be forced to discard it, or like, if you don't discard it, you leave yourself with two other venture Pokemon. So it's like really awkward. Um, but where's the meta-game go. That's like the million dollar question. I don't think anybody knows it's a so weird. Like I wouldn't be

Brent:

the other, the other wacky deck, we should talk about this tie wins a Sylveon VMX day.

MIke:

oh yeah. Yeah. I actually played like six or seven games of that yesterday. Cause I was interested in it.

Brent:

Same.

MIke:

Oh nice. I don't love it, but it was fun. I think it's a little, I think I probably would get better with it as I played more games. Um, there was, it felt like a little light on. Draw without having Inteleon or liberal. But I think I used my Crobat it's a little bit too aggressively. Um, so I think I could probably tighten up my play a little bit, but yeah, no, it's really, uh, it's really cool. And it's, it's the kind of deck that I, it's a kind of deck that I enjoy playing, like these four corner type of decks that they there's some attacker for every single matchup. It just felt a little inconsistent. But, um, but it's cool. I, I don't love the battle VIP passes. It's like, it's a love, hate thing. Right. You hit it. Turn one. You're like, this is amazing. And if you don't hit it, turn one. You're like, why am I playing these guards?

Brent:

Yeah. I recognize everyone was calling it the Sylveon BMX deck through, throughout the tournament, but it was, it was much more boxy.

MIke:

Yeah.

Brent:

When I looked at the list, I was like, oh, well, I mean the psychic type attacker, like you put a second cyber attack or anything, it just to stick a fighting type attacker.

MIke:

Right.

Brent:

you have the Crobat package. Yeah, this was very, just, just kind of box.

MIke:

Yeah. The Path to the peaks felt so weird. Cause like you want to RCS, you want to have access to more trace. You want to have access to your Crobat. And so like, I think that would be the first thing that I would look at potentially changing. Like they just felt really out of place. I guess the ideas, uh, you just play them against me later in the game, but I dunno. Can you just, maybe, maybe you can just get there otherwise, maybe you maybe like drop paths to the peaks and play a baby Moltres or something like that to help, uh, help the prize trade. I don't know.

Brent:

Right, right. Uh, certainly I think this was the first time that we saw in testing. Like the big Moltres was really, really good. So in that respect, it was, it was interesting for me because I think. Up until now more wed to the idea of like you, you put in five darks and you put in two baby Moltres and whatever goal you're trying to accomplish, you'll probably get there and beat you. And, and here, he kind of went instead of like, uh, so many of these Intel analysts where they play, uh, uh, the baby Moltres, the baby who had been all that stuff like this list list is like all gigantic high hippo and Pokemon. And like, we're just going to get out a big attacker. We're going to power it up and we're going to destroy you. And in that way, I thought it was somewhat interesting and novel.

MIke:

Yeah, for sure. I also felt like maybe it can use an ordinary rod or something. And again, but maybe this is just me inexperienced with, with the deck, but I felt like some match-ups you want like, to rapid striker? She, if he was in the first one goes down and you're like, Ooh, okay. But, um, I don't know. Maybe, maybe I, again, probably just need to play with the deck more.

Brent:

Yeah. The, the fact that it's like two, one lines of everything

MIke:

Yeah,

Brent:

every once in a while, there was some awkwardness,

MIke:

yeah, yeah,

Brent:

right? Like if you, if you prized that, if you prize the one every time you were like,

MIke:

yeah,

Brent:

you, if you, prize any of the pieces, you were like, okay, like they're going to target this down, but like the other one is prized. And so I'm just going to read them one at a time, see how it goes,

MIke:

yeah.

Brent:

oh, Hey, I'm getting punished for that shocker. But, but, but the other thing, the other thing that was great about this neck and I thought we struggled for two seconds is he was like, I'm running one Marty and one judge.

MIke:

Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Those pair quite well with the Path to the Peak, I guess. So that's I guess why,

Brent:

But doing so is the official answer that like you, you play the judge because you want to shuffle your deck instead of put it on the bottom, like the one time Liam had to play the judge, I mean, he was playing the deck. He was like, I wish this was a Marty.

MIke:

I would like to draw one more card please.

Brent:

I really, really, really need a one more card here. People.

MIke:

Yeah. it's probably, probably correct.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, on the one hand, a super, super respect for playing the correct art for the judge,

MIke:

Yeah.

Brent:

but, uh, But yeah, I felt that the, we haven't, we haven't found a situation yet where we were like super regretting, how the morning thing worked out for us. Oh, you know what it's for when you want to, um, Marnie, the mule player, but he wrote some fun predator. Right?

MIke:

Yeah, there you go.

Brent:

I'm sorry, guys. I took me a little while to work it out.

Brit:

There it is. There's a use case.

Brent:

Jesus Christ. Yeah.

MIke:

Comes up. One in every

Brent:

it out, figured it out. Yeah.

MIke:

situation comes up one in every 50 games or so, but

Brent:

And yep. And you're like, we are, we are getting it done guys. Here we go. Um, that's pretty good. As far as a warm up the indie guys, is there anything else that we should touch on or talk.

MIke:

Um, I saw the only RCS variant that. Pretty interesting to me is the RCS RCS. Urshifu Beedrill. I saw that that did a pretty good Magnus Peterson. Uh, I think lost is winning in a, and there was a couple of them that made day two and did well. That's a pretty interesting RCS variant and yeah.

Brent:

We tested, we tested a rapid strike Urshifu Beedrill extensively last week. And I think as a result where like, uh, we've come to a conclusion that the Beedrill never quite works out the way we imagined. So when I saw this list and I was like, Hmm, should I build this? Cause like, we've tested a lot with, be a drill down. I was like,

MIke:

Yeah. We've already, we've already been there. It's funny. Um, yeah, I don't know, Brit, like, what, uh, you said you played a bunch of this weekend. You said you liked squeaker. Any, anything else that you enjoyed?

Brit:

Uh, the other deck I was playing was like dark RCS. with no Inteleon, but like paths and things like that. And it like, uh, there's a lot of changes I would make to the list that I made. Um, it was just kind of a medley of all the online lists that were floating around and taking the bits and pieces from each of them that I liked the most. And I definitely learned a lot and would definitely think I would improve it. Um, but it didn't feel that great. I like losing to meal pretty consistently, still, like there was just a hard, it was a hard match-up and like, if you miss a beat, if you miss like the turn to RCS, a lot of the time you just dad, um, which is, which is, which is, you know, more or less been the case for all the. Like the max decks, just like always, like, if you don't do your thing on turn two and you're just like awkwardly left on a board of the V's, um, you're probably out of the game, even, even as early as the second turn, um, my buddy was testing you with Beedrill, which like seemed okay to me. I was just like, uh, I forget he, it didn't really cut all that many cards. It was still super consistent. Um, but

MIke:

New fusion, strike mew with Pedro.

Brit:

yeah,

MIke:

What do you play? I guess he'd play grass energies.

Brit:

yeah, yeah. Those are his basic energy. It was fine. Like, I, I, I don't, I, I think there. It's a reasonably strong argument. It's not incredibly strong, but like diesel and strong arguments of why it's not worth it. And the consistency as the way they go felt like wasn't overly terrible. Like these are just the things that like can sneak in at 6 21. I'm sure. Like, um, I don't, I don't think it's anything he was seriously considering after playing it either, but it was just something to try those there's a lot of Beedrill there was the, the Japanese player that did well, day one, I think they ended up in top 16. That was just like RCS Inteleon Beedrill, which was interesting, I guess, one point to follow up on. So we talked a little bit about it last week, as far as like the Sharon's care Sharon scare, um, like one or two what's. Right. And I played two and it was awful. I feel like I am going to go with one. It felt fine to me. Um, I just never, I never. And maybe this was matchup specific, but I just never had the time to meaningfully use the second one. And the first one didn't matter. As a lot of the times it gets me, you and against Sylveon too. And you're like talking the one shot a lot of the time anyways. So you can be depending on when it is in the game,

MIke:

that makes sense.

Brent:

I know we discussed it a previously, but a copying Oricorio as a tag. I hadn't really thought that it was

MIke:

Yeah.

Brent:

wild. Absolutely wild.

Brit:

trying to think of what else really interests me. Like I do think, I mean, whimsical is one of those decks that like it's very good, or at least, especially with the w the way the list is constructed. It's great against metadata, but I think just like pretty terrible against. Ice rider, for instance, there's a lot of, there's a lot of like fringier stuff that I think, well, when's the cut alive. So that, that I guess is one of those questions that I, I'm not sure on how it stays in the metagame I'm sure it does, but at sort of what, like threat level or what have you, I'm not sure. Um, I, I don't have any other like real deck ideas I want to try. There's just like, there's, there's close. Like I think there's like a single, single price toolbox. That would be really, really good if there wasn't like healing and Sheryl in the format. That was one of the things I really like about the Subic Coon. And Telium that you just attack with like ludic, colo and Inteleon half the time. And you just have so much like agency in the prize game. You just, basically, you can, it almost plays like a S uh, a single price deck. Some of the times just like hitting for a little bits of damage, and then eventually making a Sunni Coon for two or three prizes to win the game. Um, and so then there's just like a lot, there's like almost enough, like really good tech Pokemon, I think, to make that work. Cause there's obviously all the dark package is very strong. Um, there's fighting Pokemon that are strong God, even the there's like the Hitman Chan that I think would be good. And I saw a list, I think it top 60 Ford maybe, but it was something like that. Um, and I, I think the list could be a lot better, but I just don't think I can, it can solve Cheryl. Um, I think that'll just always beat you up. And I was thinking too, like you could play like double Manaphy even. Um, but Avery, I think too also is just going to be a problem for a lot of these Inteleon index moving forward. Um,

MIke:

Yeah. Yeah. Which is like a little bit, it's a little annoying. It's at least like I loved parallel city as a card, But it was very, very frustrating to play against. And at least this, you have to commit a little bit more than you did with parallel city. Right. You have to like, play your supporter for the turn, which is a really pretty large commitment. Um, so at least, yeah,

Brent:

you know what it's like, it's such a good car.

MIke:

yeah, yeah. Um, I think, I think how becomes in the format will, uh, dictate a lot of how the medic game kind of evolves from here. I think that's actually like a really big deal.

Brent:

The highlight of our Manaphy testing this weekend, uh, was, uh, uh, with Manaphy and sweet code. We found that you can, it's really good in sweet code if you're against rapid strike Mallomar because you can get ahead on your energy attachments, because it just takes one energy and you can lose Nicola Cola.

MIke:

Oh,

Brent:

It was a really good,

MIke:

Yeah. And then like you can, and you can like attack with the little color too. So it's like, you're not even like wasted I like that a lot. Um, but you gave me an idea though, like maybe sweet Kuhn adapts to like play less sweet.

Brit:

That's a thought I have, I think you've, I think you can cut them down, especially too, because like the new matchup soca and like starting with Sui cone is kind of the only way it can go wrong. Like even that isn't that bad, it's only, it's really only in this scenario where you like, start with Sui, Coon, or say you bench one early and it gets knocked out. Like, and then one gets like horned, if you can, if you have to be able to prevent it from being horn, echo horn back. And because they can get back from the prize game, if they can cheat out another two prizes are that way. But yeah, I think you could definitely like, as like, just from the fin list, I think you could get away with three pretty easily. Um, yeah, but yeah, I'm not, I'm not sure how much deviation the deck would need to go to, to, um, I wish if, if Luda Cola was all Pokemon, instead of just basic, like I think, I think even more so the strategy that the single price Inteleon deck, wouldn't be just definitely good.

MIke:

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And then yeah, the last week, can you play the more Ryan? Do you gotta play? I guess, just to like, be able to

Brit:

I mean, and Reihan is just so good. And I was playing two from your list and different from fins, like between like Reihan and Inteleon Drew's island. That's like, you just have your whole deck in your hand, the entire game. And so it's, it's hard. It's a lot of challenge, but I think that's part of why I was having so much fun. All the, all my turns are like pretty difficult and a lot of again too. And a lot of it, it think in these casual games, thankfully, it was like, oops, messed that up. Let me take that back. Oh, I messed up again. Let me take that back, but that's what the testing

Brent:

once you've tested a deck that runs two Ryan's every deck you play after that, you're like, does she play ride? Huh?

MIke:

Yeah,

Brent:

Liam did not feel the same love as we couldn't that bread. Did. He felt like he, um, uh, could not consistently get too low Ted's down quickly and, and it always ended up going south.

MIke:

and they would get bossed up.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. Every everybody, every, so we test with a couple of friends and everybody already knew Boston to kill them.

MIke:

I mean, I guess like the, the answer to that, and you don't know, it doesn't always work out, but if they're using bus to kill the load TEDS, then they're not healing and you can just two-shot I guess is like the theory.

Brent:

Right, right.

Brit:

Yeah. I had a really interesting game against mew where I think their, their instinct, the inclination to target the low tab is actually why I want, I think they, like, they sh like I have like an Inteleon with energy that they should've killed. And I was able to just like, sort of maintain a similar prize game because of it. And they just, I just remember it specifically, cause I was like, oh, I knew they were, they were going to Boston Inteleon and I was just kind of scooped, but they, they went through the low tat and I was like, that's fine. Like I think another, one of the things I enjoyed playing about the deck has like, other than the mew matchup, I'm not too certain. Um, how much the liter Cola was necessary. Like, I don't think it's really, I think you can beat RFCs with like other cards, like it's helpful, but just being, it only being two prizes, it's not like it doesn't feel as sort of impactful to go for. Um, yeah, just kinda depends. It just, I get a lot of the games. Like I, I guess I was, as I've said, just felt like playing a one Prizer deck and then just like pulling the one, like big attacker here and there. And so I think there's like a lot of avenues for that. It's made me want to try to do something with again, because like, um, and taste HPE just kind of naturally Dodges weakens problems, like I think so he can have a dodgy RCS matchup just because RCS being able to one shot you with the. It's difficult.

Brent:

Yeah.

Brit:

it's difficult to deal with if they just kind of get it on the turn to tempo play like that. That was one of the things that I think I still came out with a positive record, um, against RCS, Zoe Coon, but there, there was one game where I just got like blown out of the water by the turn to the star for the belts and double Turbo or no, they don't think they have the double Turbo, but,

Brent:

Yeah, that definitely sounds like a thing.

MIke:

yeah,

Brent:

Um, it is my first time playing a physical cards in this format. I think I tried to take a third prize on our CSV stars about 400 million times. I mean, I definitely deserve the third prize.

MIke:

yeah.

Brent:

It's so annoying.

Brit:

and it hits us so much when they're feeling.

MIke:

Yeah.

Brent:

Yeah. Like I was like, I was like, I definitely overachieved killing the stupid thing where, you know,

Brit:

I mean, yeah. That's like, I felt bad that I had a game where I had to use the ludic pillow to kill it. I was like, this, this doesn't feel good. I sh I should, I shouldn't, shouldn't have to waste this damage to kill this thing when I did.

Brent:

All right guys, that's the pod. We're going to come back with real, real, real Indianapolis thinking next week. And I think guests too. So we'll, we'll continue to raise our tenants above a hundred percent with the law of averages. And the John Paul's is our outro music.