The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast
The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast
Poland, Australia, Blocklax, Hands, Valiant & More!
And for, for me, like the big mystery is like all of a sudden there's a stall deck that is apparently like a tier one deck and Liam's like, I hate that deck. I'll never play it.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:I mean, I mean'cause I mean, I think I can tell you exactly why Liam enjoys the types of. I mean, he's not a big stall player. He's more of a control player, and so he likes control decks, especially very intricate ones with a lot of different game plans where you really have to pick and choose based on what your opponent's doing, the resources they have, the matchup to kind of maneuver and find a way to lock'em out of resources or to win the game. And that is very much not what Snorlax Stall does. Snorlax Stall
Track 1:if you have more counter catchers than their switch effects is like not interesting.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Is that, is that why Liam?
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I mean, it's just a name background, like
Track 1:All right.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:it really, it, it's like just a Touro test, like it's, see if BYO and then.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I like that. That's good. It's like the Turing test, but the Turo test. That's great.
Track 1:Alright, welcome to the Trash Launch. It's the only podcast about the Pokegear trading card game attendance is more or less 130 ish percent. Caden, Liam, Mike, me, Brent. We're, we're all here, we're all gonna talk about things. Last week, uh, it was all guard of war all the time. So I think this week is the times when we will cover all the things, not Gardevoir, which, uh, should be, uh, uh, exciting unless we also talk about Gardevoir. But first, guys, hold. Hold the presses. Hold all of the presses. We got a review.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh baby.
Track 1:The Ultimate homie, I don't even know about it. You can already tell. He is a homie. Beach to Jacob. Writes great technique sharing love, listening to Trashalanche. Above all others. Why? Well, because I love to talk about techniques. I'm a TCG player, so as much as I like tournament news and all that. I love learning from other players and their techniques in the game. Best advice I've heard, grab some dragon shields,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Hey,
Track 1:beat Jacob. That's awesome.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:it.
Track 1:Awesome. So we will definitely be, uh, uh, talking some techniques today because I think we're gonna talk about all the decks that are not Gardevoir and I don't know why they're bad. Good. I don't, I I have to be honest, the results from this past weekend totally baffled me and I don't know what to make of them.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:They're very confusing.
Track 1:Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, we spent literally like an hour and a half talking about Guard of War last week.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Well, and one, and one event. We were dead on. Right? It was, it, it was great. In one event and the other event, uh, not so much polar opposites. I.
Track 1:Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Guys, let's, uh, uh, so do you want to, do you want to, I recognize the other thing we skipped last week was we didn't get to talk about your, uh, uh, cups that you were probably gonna play cloth at. Uh,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh, oh yeah, that's true.
Track 1:and I wanted to catch up on those. Do we wanna talk about, uh, like you guys and tournaments you guys have been playing at first, or we wanna just dive right into pulling on Australia.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:We can do us first. We'll get it outta the way. Um,'cause it's like not quite as, I, I mean, I guess like. At least for me, all
Track 1:did not have the input. That we got here
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah,
Track 1:you played those
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:right, right, exactly. So like, yes, exactly. It's kinda like before everything else. So, Yeah. I, I, uh, not this past weekend, but the weekend before, the weekend of LAIC, I played a cup on Saturday with cloth, and then I ran My cup, the sundae, uh, I made top four with cloth. Um, was fun. Uh, I didn't hit great matchups. Overall, there was quite a bit of Lugia and quite a bit of Gardevoir, uh, in the field, which are not good matchups. Uh, I did beat a Gardevoir in Swiss. He made a couple mistakes though, and I beat a Lugia because it was single strike Lugia, and they started Terra aar and I went second. I killed it the first turn and then just kind of traded down from there. Uh, and then in top cut I played against another guard, Devore in top eight. Again, they didn't really know how to play the matchup super well, so I beat that. And then top four I played against the good Lugia player and they kind of rolled me. Uh, so I got top four though, which is great. Uh, it was fun. I probably would not play cloth. Uh, ever again. Um, but I'm glad that I got one event in. Uh, also worth noting. The cup that I ran on Sunday, I literally gave my physical deck to a friend and then he got second, uh, at the event losing to Ryan Antonucci with Gardevoir in the finals. So,
Track 1:So, I mean, you say all that. Why?
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:cloth is broken.
Track 1:Yeah. I mean, I, I'm hearing cloth is best second format. I.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:it. Well, uh, you heard Jeremy mention. At some point during the podcast last week that the Guard of War matchup is like a hundred zero, uh, for guard of war. Um, and I think if the guard of war player understands basically at all what they're doing and has a, not like they can even have a like, kind of bad start and still win, they just have to not have a complete dead draw. Um, It's really, really, really, really, really bad Um, like if they play collapsed or Turo, like it, you can't win. Um, if they play multiple Avery, you basically can't win. Uh, so yeah, not great. Um, other decks in the format. I mean, like, Snorlax beats it, uh, unless they're also bad. Like you have ways you can beat them if they're, if they don't really know your strategies. But, uh, Snorlax is bad. There's just not, there's like a whole lot of not great matchups. Muse is not a great matchup. Like Fusion Muse is pretty much, uh, not unwinnable, but like pretty bad as well. And I think Muse in a pretty good position. So I don't know, I just don't think it's like great in the Metagame. It's also like not inherently a very powerful deck, like, uh. So had good results, but I wouldn't bring it to like a major event. We did see it do okay though at, uh, Australia. There was one
Track 1:Yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:and one, uh, top 64 I think. Um, I forget her name, but the, the girl that often judges, uh, she got top 64, the from Australia.
Track 1:Nice.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:And I'm gonna play, I'm probably gonna play like a challenger cup this weekend. We'll see. And that's me. All right, Kaden, what you got?
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Uh, I have not played in a single Pokegear tournament, um, since I, I was on Thanksgiving break and I thought about going to a challenge, but it would've been, I would've gone to the challenge hours before I leave for the airport. I, I would've left for the airport. So instead I decided to just spend some extra time with the whole family. Um. I have not gone to a tournament. Uh, had I gone to a tournament, I likely would've played Mariah on, um, if for nothing else, just to get some reps in with Mariah on, as I think it is, you know, LAIC showed that it is a, a very, very strong, legitimate deck in this format and I have not put in enough reps with myON. So I wanted to try it out to get, to get a better sense of the deck.
Track 1:And then Liam went and tried it out to get a better sense of the deck.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I, I did go to a challenge and I did play my ride on, um, I lost one game, againsts Mew. I got to a pretty good board. I needed a, a lightning energy to write you KO off of judge. Um, and I missed it. Uh, I did some small mistakes at the end, uh, that John pointed out at me, um, where I. I attached a lightning energy, wrong off the flat fee to prepare for an next turn, and I decided to bump the path so that I could raku for an extra card, uh, that that was maybe wrong. Um, but it, I mean, there, there were two vs left, see, just, uh, like fusion strikes for six after cow patting bosses. So I thought I was losing the next turn unless I hit lightning. Um, so I don't know. It's hard to weigh. Um, but yeah, John, John says I shouldn't, so I, I probably shouldn't have. Uh, and then I lost to John. Um, that was a rough game, bro. He, he went, he like, counter catcher, counter catcher, boss. And then I, like, I own it a three and then he hits last like, bro. but yeah, I, I mean he, he played it well. Uh, the matchups
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:he playing? Sard
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:great. Hmm.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Sard.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I know he was playing Giratina bad deck route. Ah. Um, but yeah, so I, I had two losses. It's a lead challenge. Um, I did really bad
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yep.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Mm-Hmm,
Track 1:And, uh, uh, yeah. So then the next day there were, there was a league challenge and you chose not to go due to dissatisfaction with Mariah on. Do you wanna talk about that at all?
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I don't know, man. I woke up and I didn't even want to go, bro. Like, I was like, uh. You know, I could like try, I try to run myself out the door so I can play like, uh, four rounds of my ride on and nah, it's a lead challenge bro. It's like 15 points. I ain't gonna sweat it.
Track 1:you know, so I, let's hey, uh, you know, as long as, as long as I'm your father and we're recording a freaking podcast for hundreds of thousands of people that are all listening, let's dive into that a little bit. He was really excited to go to the challenge on Saturday, like I think he was like, Maria, right. On's the best deck. I'm gonna bury people. We drove 45 minutes to go to this league challenge and, and, he, he top eight. And then there's, there's another league challenge that night, six o'clock at night. And he is like, oh, can't, I can't, for my, for the sake of my sanity, I have to play this control deck instead of, uh, Mariah. And he goes like, oh two, like oh one, one drop or something. He goes, oh, one drop.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:story. Um, I had somebody like, uh, like full blo that was doing, um, like a Reggie Leki sisters thing. This guy had eight cars left in deck. None of them were items I couldn't accelerate the game, bro. And like, yeah, man, like. You know, it's a, it's, it's a league challenge. I'm against local players, like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna rush'em. And there's like 30 minutes left and then like, you know, the tos walk over and they're like, eh, you know, we feel like ties are gonna mess up the bracket, so we're just gonna make everybody lose. Who, uh, who, um,
Track 1:We're gonna go off prizes.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Uh,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Oh my God. Wait, that's a little wild.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. After that I just, I just decided to call it quits. Like, I mean, it didn't really matter. Like, you know, if I'm, if I'm hitting time more than once, or like I, I get one tie and lead challenge, I'm probably, probably screwed anyway. But I like, you know, I was like, I just don't wanna do this anymore,
Track 1:So, so what, what Ha. You know, I never really got to ask you. Yeah. I never really got to ask you what happened when they said that to you. Did you say, Hey, if you had said that 30 minutes ago, I would've submitted a different list. Ya,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:it's a lead challenge. I don't really care. I don't really care. I was like, eh, well, whatever. Time to go.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:I I would've been, I would've been pissed. I would've been just utterly, utterly pissed at that,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:That a Lee Challenge, bro, I'm fighting for like three prize bags.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I. mean it is a leak challenge, but that is like not legal,
Track 1:Yeah. Yeah. Like they're literally like breaking the rules to ruin your tournament. Uh, uh, so, so yeah. So then, then, yeah, like, but I, the point is he made me drive 45 minutes for this first league challenge'cause he's stoked to bury people with Mariah on. And then like the next, the next day at noon, the league challenge, that's like 15 minutes away. He's like, nah man, I'm gonna sleep a little more. And I was like, C, come on. Being a parent is rough guys.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:dude, I mean, like, I just drove 45 minutes for nothing. I didn't, I didn't wanna drive by like, uh, 15 minutes for nothing and spend my whole day doing nothing. Like, that's terrible, bro. I didn't wanna do that.
Track 1:Yeah, it's tough. Uh, as, as a dad, I was so excited to see him be excited about like, playing Verizon and now I feel like, so, so Liam are,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:love Maria. I might be sending it to every major this season.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:That's
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I ain't going to this league challenge though.
Track 1:Uh, so yeah. Well, so, so do you, do you have a deck now? Is, is Mariah still the Strats or
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Maria's kind of mid though. I won't even lie. Like I, I, I just kind of lose to everything with that thing. But in won La IC so I'm still kind of okay with sending it bro. In one a. I.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:It won it twice. In fact, seniors and masters.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. In seniors. Yeah.
Track 1:I, and, and. So, so here's, here's question. Uh, uh, Liam, and I guess this is true for you too, Caden,'cause you, you said if you went to a tournament you would've played Meridan and, and Mike as well. I guess, were you guys un uncom compelled by a, like the guard of war testimony we got last week? B uh, a pack of alpacas taken down. Uh, a regional, like why not guard, Devore?
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Um,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:That's too hard.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:the deck's too hard. Yeah. Yeah.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:it's too hard.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:me, for me, it's just deck's too hard. I don't have the, I do not have enough time. I do not have the time to put in. The amount of time that is required to play that deck well to a major. Um, I think that deck is incredibly hard to pilot. Um, not just in terms of like game by game, although I think the deck is incredibly hard to pilot game by game, but also in terms of like over the course of a tournament or by round managing time, um, so that you don't just get screwed over. Like, I think, um, I think that deck is very, very difficult to bring. So I, I decided a while back that I'm not going to ever bring dy to a major unless it is like genuinely the only viable deck in the only like viable, decent deck in format.
Track 1:So I, I felt like, I felt like, uh, there was a notable absence, uh, uh, there and, and maybe this tells us everything we need to know about this podcast. People Liam McCadden are both like Dex too hard and Mike's like, Hmm,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I mean, my, my experience is different because I've brought guard ovo now to multiple majors. I haven't, I mean, I've lost,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Bro, it's too.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I've lost, I've lost, I've lost like, basically winning ins in round eight or nine to day two. Every, all three times I brought it to a major. Um, but like I still Feel like relatively okay. Okay. Playing the deck. Um, I only tied twice with it out of 27 rounds. Um, so like that, I feel like I kind of have that part of it. Okay. I'm not as good as some of the, like, the best, best players with guard devore. Like, I'm sure I'm, I'm not toured or Brent toon, but like, I still feel like I'm good enough with it. It's the, it's the deck that I've played the most. Uh, so I have already put the time in.
Track 1:Right, right. All right, guys, why don't we talk a little about, uh, uh, Australia and Poland?
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Um, a good segue would be just before we talk about top eight stuff, uh, the dude that won LAIC with Meridan Jho, I think that's how you say his name. He got ninth in, uh, in Poland. I don't know if you guys know that, but Yeah, he got ninth.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Or
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I don't know if it was the same 60, uh, but,'cause I don't think the, all the lists are out yet.
Track 1:yeah. His list is not posted on PTCG Legends.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:yeah. But like, it was, it was my write-on for sure. So I have to imagine it's the same 60 or only one or two cards off. Uh, he, I think lost his winning in to top eight, so he like. Did super good again. Um, so radon was right there even though it didn't actually top eight either event. Right? Um, he was right there though,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:That's good to know. That makes me, yeah. Yeah, right. On's a really good deck right now. Um. But I think, I think for me, the largest, the most surprising thing coming out of both these tournaments be besides, of course, um, towards wacky loss zone deck. Proving that, proving once again that lost box loss. The loss zone engine can be thrown with basically any attackers and it will still be quite good. Um, I was the prevalence of Snorlax in top be to both these events we had. In Brisbane, two of the top eight being SLAC Stall. And, um, in the, the other re in the Poland, the regional in Poland, which I'm not gonna try to pronounce where it is, um, it actually managed to win the whole event. So for me, this was the most shocking thing. Um, as well as of course, the fact that Polke Ice Rider made top eight, um, that was also that was also very shocking. But, um, I, I wanna say I don't, I don't think this deck's good. um, I really, I, the Palkia Palkia
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh yeah. I mean, we could talk about that real quick.'cause I've actually played, I played like five games with it. Because I was like, I got, I gotta know. And it feels like a pile, man. his, his matchups were so funny. Um, if you look at his matchups, he played like Eight me ride-ons or something like that. And which, you know, in if, if you think about it like for like two seconds, you're like, that doesn't make sense. Uh, how could Paki be beating me Ride-on so, so much. But then you think about it for like 10 seconds, you're like, okay, uh, it's just a two prize war, right? Um, and uh, Palkia can just do, it can just stream its attackers a little bit more efficiently. So it's probably really favored there. Uh, yeah. But the deck does not feel great.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I assume the ice Rider helps a lot too because they can never go like too fluffy'cause of the ninja, right? So
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Right,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:dealing with the the ice is probably really hard for them.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yep. So yeah, the deck feels like really weird. Uh. but if you hit the right, it's probably like really good against the, uh, the ante deck. The ante valiant deck. Like you probably destroy that. Um, like there's some matchups that you're just gonna be really good against, but like something like Gardevoir, unless you get off the cologne, play like turn two, uh, which is not super consistent with this type of list. Like, you're not gonna, you're not gonna beat carnivore.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Okay. Sorry Caden, I interrupted you. Keep going.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Um, yeah, I mean, I think I actually, to be quite honest, the other thing that did surprise me was how well Czar did, like this was something that we did not see quite as much in LAIC. Um, and, and, but CZ did very well this weekend. Um, it was. Three of top eight in Poland and two and two of top four in Brisbane, which like remarkably strong showing, um, for czar, especially compared to how it did in LAIC, which was fine. It did fine in LAIC, but you know, nowhere near as good as it did this past weekend. And I, I'm curious whether you guys have any guesses as to why, you know, if czar is just actually a really strong deck, if something changed. What, what do you guys think?
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Um, well, so like guard, devore, or, so, at least in Poland, guard Devore was not super popular. It was like third or fourth most popular deck. Uh, and it didn't seem like it was piloted by that many top players and And conversely, char art was piloted by a lot of top players. Um, so like your worst matchup card DeVores, arguably maybe it's, maybe it's not a hundred percent your worst matchup, but it's arguably your worst matchup. Um, so like that was on the decline and all the decks that kind of beat guard devore were. Or targeting Gar Devore were kind of increasing, so like ante and uh, moron and Charr does pretty good against those. I think the ante valion tech is a little bit close, but I think if you just like establish one charr, you're pretty favorite in that matchup. Um, so I think that's like a big part of it. You kind of beat the stuff that beats carnivore.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, it wasn't mute like 20% of day two as well
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah. Mew was like, Mew, like super overperformed. It was like, it was on the chart day one, maybe like nine or 10%, but then, yeah, like 20% day two. Yeah. That's crazy. and like Robin, like Robin played it. Uh, Stefan played it. The other two guys are not big names, but I'm sure they're solid players. Uh. Yeah, just when really good players play deck, it tends to do well.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah. Um, do we wanna talk some more about Snorlax? I think it's, I think it's worth spending some time on, um, what are, do we wanna just go in a little circle and say our feelings about s as a. I can, I can start. Um,
Track 1:I I'll start'cause I have nothing to
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Okay. Oh, yeah. Okay.
Track 1:I want to play that deck, but I recognize that if you play that deck on the ladder, you'll have a bad time. Like play. When I was playing Lost box a ton on the ladder, I was having fun because like, you just take surprises and the games are over in five minutes. Uh, SNLA Stahl, as Liam tweeted, your games are either over in 20 seconds or they're over in 45 minutes. and like no joy for even the Snorlax player. I think because like everybody's teched on the ladder for
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I'll, I'll, I'll jump in really quick there. I know I said I think two weeks ago now on the pod that sax was like the deck. I play for fun on ladder. Um, and I recommend people to play for fun on ladder. It is no longer fun. I don't play a crab in my build. I probably should. Um, but yeah, I, I've hit Mew like five times in a row, I think with my last like five games with the deck. And as soon as I see it Snorlax, I just can see'cause I know they're all playing crab. Like it's a terrible experience. It's a terrible experience. It's unreal.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:crab bad in, like is it useful in any other matchup? Probably not, right?
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:like fighting against ZI think that that played Pidgey. I think you needed to win there. Um,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:yeah, I don't really know.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Um, why did the, uh, uh, okay, I'll give my thoughts first, then we can talk, talk about the, the list, I guess. Um, I don't really have a strong opinion, uh, about Snorlax either way. I think like obvious people are like complaining about it. I don't think it's really worth complaining about. Uh, I feel like I am going to play a deck that It has an out to it. I'm not gonna like do a hard, I'm never gonna play like the stupid mini card to like super hard counter it. Like, that seems stupid, but like, it's something that I'll just take into account I'm choosing my deck. Uh, like I'm fine taking the loss if, you know, if that's what I decide. Like if I wanna play Charr to an event, I'm not gonna tech for it. But like, if I'm playing something like Gardevoir, um. Then there's a pretty good chance that I would play Turo paled, um, just'cause those are pretty good cards overall. Um, and they do a lot of work in that matchup. Uh, like, I don't know, maron, if I was, maron should do good against Snorlax, right? Just'cause you have a bunch of switch, you have a lot of energy, they, it's hard for them to trap something. So like, I would probably, if I had, if I was between like two decks and I felt like equally comfortable with both of them and one of them auto lost to Snorlax and one of them I had a decent chance of beating it, I'd probably, you know, go that way. I dunno, I just feel like, um, there's a lot of like soft counters to decks like this when, they get popular that you just have to consider more heavily. I, Caden, what do you
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:You wanna go next? Yeah.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah, I mean, I think that the deck is, um, I feel a little similarly. I don't think it, it's never the type of deck that I would play. Um, I, well
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I would never play this Dick
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:actually, I don't know if I can really say that I did play Shock Lock to a tournament. Um,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Shock Lock's very different though.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:is it like, like it kind of is, but I, lemme put it this way. Um, the reasons why I wouldn't place Snorlax also apply to Shock Lock, um, in terms of
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:are those reasons?
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:In terms of the linearity and Yeah, that's largely, that's largely, it's, it's a, you know, it's a pretty linear deck that often just you kind of win or lose a matchup. Um, going in. I don't think there's, you know, as, as, as Liam says, you know, it's a, it's a Touro test, in a, in a lot of games, and so I don't really have a desire to play that type of deck.
Track 1:I mean, shock lock was not that different, right?
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I think it's fine to play deck that has polarizing matchups, but. I, I don't think that that's very good. And I don't think the, the, like the matchup polarization is like that well positioned in the Melmetal. Like losing to every guardi that plays Turo is like not really good. I don't, I like, I don't think Guardi has for like, at least like the last year ever been, like the deck that you lose to when you're playing a deck that's like a hundred zero or zero a hundred I guard is too high on my list. I think to play a deck that's just, you just fold to.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, the do, I mean the do that one in Poland, like he just hit zd. Right? Top eight, top
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I mean that's,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Like, that's the dream.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:yeah, easily best. I mean, that's like the only way you make it past, I think topic eight. Like they, they have to have like exactly zero out. Um,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:it. If that Palkia deck had won, uh, what did it get? It got it. Got top four. Oh yeah. So it lost to C zd,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:it lost to the Aaron King, like, and, and I think that was on stream and it was like pretty close. Um, and like if he beats czar, like he wins the event for sure. Right? Like that, that Palkia deck had like four, it had like two switch, two rope, four cross switches.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I don't know. It's not, I don't think it's great. Um, yeah, like. Beating Snorlax with like item counters is always a little bit suss because like if you draw a little poor turn one, um, and then you just get like sister sacked, um,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I guess that's true.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:pretty easy to lose. But although I think actually the biggest thing is that let's play spirit to, right? Yeah. So you just break the Snorlax player around turn one,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Okay. That was actually gonna be my question. The Snorlax that won, played spirit to itself. Why?
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I mean, fixes the Mew matchup, I think.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Okay. But like if you start Spiritomb, you just lose the game right? Against like almost every other matchup.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I don't know. You play three penny. You play a water, maybe it goes okay.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:you play four cards. Your Roadum V is your main draw engine, right? So like how are you drawing one of one of those four cards without your roadum? I don't think you do,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, you got four out. You can play Arvin Seal, snow and Rhode Em. Next turn. Uh, yeah, it's, it's probably terrible though. I mean, and but you only start it like, um, what, uh,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:5, 6, 7, 8,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:eight, like
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. Less than one outta nine times.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:probably, yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I guess that's true. Yeah. The meme matchup in general for Snorlax doesn't seem great, so
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I, I, I, I think it, like, it, it fully swings it. I I think you're probably like zero, a hundred, um, with ox just start.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:I don't know. The less than one and nine is actually, I mean, even that is kind of scary because you know, you have to keep in mind, again, we're talking about Snorlax, like you're not getting through three games
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. But I mean, like, it's.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:you lose game one, you're probably not even finishing a game two, unless
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:No, no, no. Once you lose game one, it's, it's over. Um, it's, yeah, but you, uh, you have less than one in nine. And then of those games, the ones that you open Penny or like Arvin or Forest Seal or something like that, like, or you're against, like Charar in the matchups, just like so good you can't lose anyway. Um, or maybe against like a deck, um, that isn't able to gust around the Spirit tomb or something. Turn one. There, there's, you probably don't like completely, instantly lose. Um, especially if you're against a good matchup when you open it. Um, it's less than one in nine. It seems fair, especially if you think like muse's gonna be 20% of the meta day two, like probably worth.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, that's fair.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:The lists are pretty similar. Uh, beyond that, I mean, there's only so much you can do, I guess, with Snorlax. Uh, they both played Giacomo, even the dude or the two people in Australia that didn't play Spirit Tune, play Giacomo, which I think is interesting, like
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I, I, I think it's, I think it's needed. I forget exactly what for, but like, not even just from you, but just for, um, it just, it gets, it gets, it gets rid of something random and some, some meta matchup. I think it's good against Gardy. Yeah. It's, it's good against gardy, um,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh, just kill their reversal
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:reversals. Yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. Makes them have two less things that they can stick. Sure. Makes sense. So, uh, one, one more thing before we move on from Snorlax. Uh, would you ever bring Snorlax to a locals like a cup? Um, because I feel like 30 minutes is like, probably not enough time against lot of players, especially like players that aren't super competitive, like, they're gonna take, they're gonna be slow just because they're slow players. Uh, and you're not gonna finish games, do you guys, what do you guys think?
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I told y'all I brought a, a slow deck this weekend. It was a, it was a rough experience. Um, but I Crobat, you know, I might wake up one morning feeling it, uh.
Track 1:And that is really the primary determiner
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Uh, I could say without a doubt, that I would never bring it to, I mean, I don't think I would ever play the deck period, but I would especially never bring it to a 30 minute, 30 minute tournament.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:if you have some weird locals where they're, they have some weird stupid time structure that works in snar LA's favor, maybe. Yeah.
Track 1:I mean, there are obviously best two outta three league challenges, but do not go to those
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah,.Just stay home.
Track 1:you, if you're looking for the technique, man, do not go to Best of three league challenges. Life is too short. Holy crap. Yeah. The thing they would do to make it accommodating, you would say, we should not accommodate such nonsense. That's wild. Alright, so the next deck I wanted to talk about was, um, iron valiant did I think mostly bad.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:It did mostly bad. There was one in Poland that the dude was on stream, like I don't like three times and he didn't make top eight. Like for some reason he was on stream twice in day two. I don't really know how that worked. Uh, but he lost both of those. And one other round, like if he won, I think he lost three win ends, basically, uh, two of them on stream So that's, uh, feels bad for this guy. Uh, but so he ended up top 16 and then there was two in top 16 in Australia. I know kind of the, the big Australian group all played it. Um,
Track 1:Yeah, that that's what I wanted. That's what I thought jumped out to me was like Kaiwan. Kababi obviously does well with it.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Mm-Hmm.
Track 1:Uh uh But like, yeah, that's the quote. Like the good players played iron valiant in Australia and like, I assume they would say they were somewhat unsatisfied with how it all went. Right.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I mean, Kaiwan started eight one, day one, and then didn't make top eight. So I think he went like 1, 3, 1 or something, day two. Uh, so yeah, I mean, I agree. Like the best players in Australia all played it. Even Henry Brand was in Poland. He played it. Uh, and none of them did particularly well. Uh, I mean, 10th is, is, or top 16 is good, but it's not great considering that you're the five best players in the tournament and you're all playing the same deck. Uh, so I don't know.
Track 1:So, so is that deck bad? I mean like, I don't know. I think we've kind of circled around it as like a maybe deck. I mean, obviously it's not that bad. Like the Australians thought it was the best deck. and yet they did not do well.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:They played bad decks, bro. Like they, uh, their entire top eight was that like Mew Palkia thing that immediately died off and was like 0% of the format. The rest of the format last year or something, bro. And then Henry was like, hyping up, was Tino, which turns out to be the worst second format. Like, let's, I I can't trust it, bro. I can't trust
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I think, I think part of it is like they expected so much Gar Devore and the deck is good against Gar Devore. But I will say it's not like, it's not like it's an 80 20 against Gar Devore. Like it's maybe 60 40, uh, something like that. Um,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Guardian's not in favor to anything bro.
Track 1:Well, I mean, that's what I thought was the craziest thing is like obviously they were on guard devore the prior week, So then quote like, they, they come back playing a deck that's good against guard of war. Guard of war wins the tournament and they're not on it. And like they got bodied up. Right?
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah.
Track 1:Uh, I don't know if like, if like they just didn't have sufficiently next level thinking or like, uh, uh, there's just something fundamentally flawed about that deck or like what
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I don't know. seems good.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:like it's good, but it's like it's. Pretty like hit or miss. I haven't played a ton with it. I've played like, you know, five to 10 games with it. And it's like some games you just like rip it. You just, you're just cooking. You get the turn, one yoga loop you can't lose. And then other games you're like, man, I, I pinged him twice for like, I pinged twice on turn one and I didn't do anything else.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I, I think actually I, I found it to be pretty consistent. I think it's more about just like your opponent start, like
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Okay. That's fair.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:like the Mariah nine matchup goes from like. A hundred zero if like they don't rip two energy off generator, turn one to like zero a hundred.'cause then like they have a two 20 HP Mariah on no bench and you don't have anything as opposed to like needing to like maybe go for Fluffy or something like that. Um, or just like fall falling behind. Like they have to make some concession somewhere. If they don't, they don't open super well. Um, and like, I think, I think that's kind of the same way in a lot of other matches as well. Um. Just like the strength, the strength of your opponent. Sorry, you, you're pretty consistently opening, I think with like relatively the same stuff, at least in my games. It's just more about whether or not your opponent opens really strong.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:That seems fair. Uh, one thing I've noticed when I've played the matchup from the Guardi side is like games that I randomly star Zacian against them. I do really good and I'm like, okay, we'll we're just gonna hit'em for one 50 and then I'm gonna get a guard X and I'll kill things. And then eventually we'll take my other four prizes.
Track 1:Sound
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. Yeah,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah, I don't know. I think Ian is the type of deck that will always be a presence in the format, and like you'll probably see a few of them in the, you'll probably see a few in top 32 at every tournament. I don't think, I don't think it's a great deck. I think it has some decent matchups, but I don't think it's great.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, also being like zero, a hundred into Mew and like urchin and
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, that's actually what I was
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:HP is terrible.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. Like, yeah, you just can't beat Mew. Like Mew is actually unwinnable, I think with that deck. So
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:you wanna talk about towards deck at all?
Track 1:I appreciate that. Did not build the most consistent version of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Like this thing's crazy.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:yeah, I mean, I think, I think it's good. I mean, it's lost box. It's lost box. Like let's be real. It's just lost box and you know, it's a new set of, it's a new set of attackers. that we have not seen put together in Lost Box before, but it's pretty much, it's a, it's the same sort of deck that we know.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I mean, yeah, I, I think he made a lot of interesting decisions. I think no vacuum, no manife, one stable eye. Those are all like really weird decisions that I, I don't think like very many other players would come at.
Track 1:I mean, changing, changing all the attackers that are, uh, have been in the deck previously to like a, a completely new random set props to him, man. Like other people weren't doing that. Like, uh, you know, I think people, people were like that lost box deck is solved and, uh, he has done something else.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:No, I think, I think this performance is absolutely a testament to towards deck building scale. Um, I think it's, I mean, it's really, it's really, really impressive. Um, I, I mean, I think the deck is good. I, I. I don't think, I don't think this will, my guess is that this will not be like a new tier one deck, um, that we're gonna see doing well at future tournaments. Um, I think like, maybe we'll see a few, but I, I actually don't think we're gonna see much of this stack moving forward. That's my, that is my guess. And maybe hot take.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I was actually gonna say basically the same thing. I agree with almost everything you guys say about like the, the interesting and unique factor of this and prop stem for doing that, but I don't think this is gonna like top 32. Any event. The rest of the format It just seems like it's, it was kind of like made for an event and it's just, yeah, I dunno. The, I just have that feeling
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:This deck looks buns, bro. it looks terrible. I like, I guess when I think about the deck, I'm like, uh, like I should, I should factor it into like my decision making. But like pretty much every deck I've thought about in the last few days, it's like, that's just fine. Like I, I don't see how I'm like really awful in the matchup or anything. Like, deck's not super good, like.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I think a lot of people probably like didn't really know what was going on and played pretty poorly against him, which is super understandable. Like you're looking, you're playing against tour with this w wacky ass lost box deck. You're like, I don't know what to expect. Uh. like we were, we were watching and talking about it in the Discord when he was playing against the, one of the char guards on stream. And like the Charar player was so, so close to throwing, uh, uh, because he just didn't know like what he was supposed to do, which is totally understandable. Um, people can like, you know, see this deck and like, think about it for a little bit now. Uh, it's probably not great. I do think though, that, um, Iron hands in lost box could be good, and maybe some other, some other combination of cards as well. I just don't think this specific combination will will catch on, as Caden said.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah. Um, is there anything else
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh, well, one other thing I'm kind of curious about is like, what, what happened to Chimp Pal? Like
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:it's just gone from the face of the earth, right? Like falling off the face of the earth, whatever the saying is.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Um, yeah, I mean, I think that, man, I just don't think of the deck. I, I, okay, so I played a lot of chimp out as you, as you know, I played a lot of chimp out. I think that the deck. Man, I don't even know. Like I think I,'cause like I'm looking at these guardi lists and it doesn't feel like much has changed in the Guardi lists.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:the scream tail,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:No, it's not the, it's definitely not the scream tail though. Like that's definitely, It's definitely
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:the,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:not scream tail. That does not matter. There's no way Scream tail matters.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:dude, it lets you kill the bib. Lets you, it lets you like counter catcher io, KO bib. Like that card is so good in the
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:no, I'm just putting down a mani in this matchup now.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Avery
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:you get Avery.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:and Ben benching man's so bad in the matchup like. And once you're committing bench spaces to Manaphy, like now you're no longer getting to bib or something like benching Manaphy, the screen, the screen tail is so good to the matchup and like every time you extend on turn two, you get, um, screen tail Koko, uh, KO backs and all they need is like candy guardy fog and they get screen tail KO and like that. The scream tail is so good,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:I can, they really hit scream tail KO on BS turn two consistently.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:it's like so much easier. They don't need like a single curlier down to do it and all, like
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Ooh. How? How are they getting their energy in the discard?
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:don't know. Well, like May, maybe they have like one Kirlia or something. Like obviously they have to hit candy Guardy, but like if they have like a decent hand size and you're able to like do your thing, then they like kale the back and you have to hit back to the next turn or else you lose.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:They need eight energy on Scream tail. The KO.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:They need four.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:84. Yeah. Eight 80 damage,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Oh. Oh. It's, oh yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Uh, okay. okay. Nevermind. Scratch
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I don't know about how consistently it's turned two, but turn three for sure. Yeah. Um, so yeah, I didn't realize. how bad it did in Poland. There was 85 people that played Chi Pow Day one, 9% of the meta one made day two and he got, and he got 67th one
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Okay. That is, that is atrocious.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:that's
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:it's also terrible black.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. Yeah. That match's really bad. Um, Maria ride-ons also a bad matchup, right. Um,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:I'm right onto bad matchup. Uh, muse, not great. ards. A good matchup. That's a good one.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Uh, mute is a bad matchup. Mute is worse matchup than.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:okay. Ante valance. Probably not a good matchup. So like all of these decks that we've talked about are all bad matchups, I think for you, except jars art. So I think that probably plays a big, big part into it.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:number one, bro. Jake's number deck before we, of course not single.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It, I think it's just, I think it's like its place in the meta is just pretty poor. I think that's probably the biggest factor.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Um, um,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Hmm.
Track 1:So Raul played in Inteleon Sche. Is that, is that worth discussing? I, I don't know what other like people were, were doing, uh, like I, I guess Sam Chen went to Australia. But I'm trying to think of like what other And John Ang, Isaiah Bradner crew,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Well, Sam played Gardevoir. He played the same 60 as Cal and Gabe Smart, and they both Toba did, which was very similar to Kieran and Jeremy's list. Uh, three cards, different and really Geraci was like really the only addition. The other cards that they changed were just, uh, like shifting roles around, if that makes sense. Like they changed a worker for an Avery and then therefore dropped the, uh, fog for an artisan or something like that, just to like, you know, keep some of that internal consistency. So Raichu is really the only addition. Um, but yeah, in Inteleon, Urshifu seems okay to me. I think, uh, the big thing that nobody really thought about too hard was the addition of Earth and Vessel is actually like really big for that deck. Um, being able to ear, or, I don't even think Rahul played Iita, but like if you do play the Iita version, like being able to just search out two energy is super good. Um, it like, it's, it's literally. A hundred percent better than energy search, right? Like, just significantly better. Uh, and I think the TM devolution is okay in that deck. Um, it gives you some different lines in, in matchups, even matchups, but like games that you don't completely blow them off the board, like against Charizard. You would either win if you completely blew them off the board and lose if you didn't. But now you have some play even if you don't. Um, I think, I think Rahul played two of the tmm. I probably wouldn't play two, I'd probably just play one, I think. Um, but yeah, I, I think those additions were a little bit, I don't know, I just don't think people really thought about it until recently.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah. I I don't, I don't think the deck is, I think it's fine.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah. Yeah, it's fine.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:fine.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Definitely play the Rapid Strike remade if you're playing that deck. not like the dude from Brazil. playing non rapid strike remade, bro. Come on.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I play a two, one split.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:No. You play a zero zero Aary bro.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:A two. Uh.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:he swears it's good too.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Um.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:back, dude. I'm of thinking about cutting for some Kirlia is.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:That doesn't sound terrible. Um, last week we did do like brief predictions at the very end of the podcast. I don't remember what your guys were, but I, I did, I said that Sander was going to win, and I would like to say that I, well, I wasn't right that Sander won Control one or Snorlax one, so that's something, uh, but. I'm really curious what Sander played. He didn't post anything. I had to even look to see if he was at the event and
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:went one.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:he, he, 1 4 1. So I'm really interested. He's probably not gonna post it because like he's gonna save the sauce and work on it and tweak it for whatever the next major he's going to. Uh, worth noting though, he beat Gardevoir, so whatever controlled deck he cooked up. In theory, beats guard Devore, but he lost to some lost index, um, which maybe he wasn't expecting. So I'm, I'm interested to see what he's got.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I, I, I heard that he was playing like something with Block lax, not block lax, but it was like a toolbox that was running block lax
Track 1:I mean, I'm sure he would put one in so he could be like, that's a thing I could do.'cause yeah, I mean, he wants 10 choices every time he does a turn.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I don't know. It's pretty rare to like, for like, um, Control toolboxes, I guess, um, to have block boxes in them because you obviously have to limit your bench for block lock, so it's really not conducive to like a deck that isn't built around it. Um, but I think obviously it's just one, it's, it's really like quite a powerful tool in the meta, the, the one 50 and you get so much value, like passively, I think just like throwing it active whenever you can, um, in like some sort of controlled control toolbox and like, even just in general is probably like, pretty good. Um, so I, I guess it makes sense, at least from what I've heard. I I, I have really no clue what's in that deck.
Track 1:Snla is like the great control tradition. You gotta put one in every deck That's just best practices.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Do you guys remember what your predictions were?
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Uh, I do not. I think, I think I predicted Roaring Moon. I think I predicted Roaring Moon, or what did I predict was gonna win L-A-I-C-I think I
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:You weren't. You weren't on last week, Caden. Right, right, right.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Um, I wasn't on last week, if I remember correctly. I predicted Roaring Moon or some other deck. Maybe I said valiant. I might've said Valiant. Um,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Hmm.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:I don't feel like
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Valiant was a decent prediction. Roaring Moon sucks like Roaring Moon is. I feel like there's no roaring moon's never gonna get above 5% again, I feel like in any metagame.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yes, I definitely over had over-indexed on roaring moods. On Roaring Moons strength. Um, the deck is not good. Would not recommend.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Again, it's, it's actually like inherently it's, it's a strong deck, but it's like placed in the metagame is just pretty poor.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:And then Liam, what'd you say? You said me ride on.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I think I said like there was gonna be like four Snorlax in the top eight combined row I, and then I said Guardia was gonna win Brisbane
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh yeah,
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:then Charr was gonna get, no, I think I said Snorlax wasn't gonna place at all. I, I think I said that was terrible.
Track 1:So see we're half right
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah, I, I, yeah. I can't remember, but
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:was funny. I listened to Azul and Chips podcast, um, like the day after. I like this past Monday, so like right after, um, you know, this past weekend, but it was, their podcast was the week before. And yeah, their a zoo's predictions were like, so, so far, uh, wrong. Basically Snor, he like, he, he was crapping on Snorlax the whole time. And then there you go.
Track 1:And that's how they get you.
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yep.
Track 1:All right guys. You ready for a good, uh, or, or a terrible would you rather?
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Yeah,
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:am. I'm so ready. I've never been more ready.
Track 1:Alright, um, alright. I, if you this, I'm interested in hearing how you guys think about the problem here is a, if you had to live in a cage the rest of your life, would you rather the bars be horizontal or vertical?
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Hmm.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:A vertical or no horizontal easy. It's absolutely horizontal.
Track 1:And is that because they can slide a pizza into you?
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:No, this
Track 1:was that close?
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:this is so that I can climb on them for a source of entertainment.
Track 1:Ah,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Oh yeah, that's, that's pretty good.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:I go vertical so I can climb on them for a source of entertainment.
Track 1:how'd I know that was coming?
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:Hmm. I was leaning horizontal. I didn't think of that. I didn't really have a good reason, except that vertical is what you know is as far as I know, used in current prisons. So there's gotta be a reason that they do that.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:And so you want the other one?
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:and so I want the other one. Yeah.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah.
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:Wait, but bro, wouldn't that be bad? Like, think about it, right? Because if you're in prison and you have, you're the only person there with horizontal bars and the inmates walk next to you every day, bro, and they see you like, are some bad stuff gonna happen bro? Like, like, oh man, like this is the horizontal bar guy. Like, you know, you probably in for some real bad, like, you know, you might get messed up for that, bro. Like terrible
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah,
m_1_11-28-2023_180421:true. Well, he, he didn't say we were gonna be in a prison. He just said we were gonna be in a cage. So
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:we're just gonna be like, Jesus.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:appar
liam_1_11-28-2023_180421:That's terrible. I'd rather be in prison.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Apparently, as you probably can just guess, the reason why prison bars are vertical is purely just they're harder to break down if they're vertical versus horizontal.
Track 1:Oh, is that'cause you can't put your foot on the top and get leveraged like you're in a world wrestling federation like battle.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Uh, that like easier, easier for wear and tear if you're climbing on them like I was suggesting. Um, also like, you know, it's, it's harder, it's just harder to break something that's, that's vertical, um,
Track 1:I don't think that that's true, but I think I'm gonna go with my World Wrestling Federation read on this, that that sounds to me more credible.
kaden_1_11-28-2023_170421:Yeah.
Track 1:All right guys. Another pod in the books