The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast

Old school usernames, PC4 results, Mike's move, Healthy Format, Pokemon 2022, Age Division drama, Ice Rider Calyrex, Inteleon & Friends, Malamar, Shadow Rider Calyrex, PikaRom, Eternatus, LMZ, RS Urshifu, Blaziken, ADP, Blissey,

June 24, 2021 Brent Halliburton Season 1 Episode 46
The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast
Old school usernames, PC4 results, Mike's move, Healthy Format, Pokemon 2022, Age Division drama, Ice Rider Calyrex, Inteleon & Friends, Malamar, Shadow Rider Calyrex, PikaRom, Eternatus, LMZ, RS Urshifu, Blaziken, ADP, Blissey,
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The Trashalanche Pokemon Podcast
Old school usernames, PC4 results, Mike's move, Healthy Format, Pokemon 2022, Age Division drama, Ice Rider Calyrex, Inteleon & Friends, Malamar, Shadow Rider Calyrex, PikaRom, Eternatus, LMZ, RS Urshifu, Blaziken, ADP, Blissey,
Jun 24, 2021 Season 1 Episode 46
Brent Halliburton
Transcript
Brent:

And how does your dog like the new environment?

Mike:

And So there's a bunch of, you know, green space along the river there's dog park there. And I feel like every, I feel like it's a prerequisite to have a dog in order to live in this building. So lots of dogs.

Brent:

Welcome to the Trashalanche. It's Brett Halliburton here as always with and my crochet at anytime I tweet attendance is 100% that tweet gets likes and you guys know why attendance continues to remain 100% five star review update guys. We picked up our 29th review amazing competitive level podcast. Kaisa DIA says fantastic contest for keeping up with the contest for keeping up with the competitive Pokemon scene. The hosts are all well versed in all things, Pokemon TCG, and do a great job linking past present and future in order to make calls on the current meta, as someone who can't play much outside the weekends, the pod does a great job summarizing the state of the meta and helping me know what some of the best plays are. They host do a great job, covering some of the more intricate parts of the game, such as the sequencing and certain match-ups that you just won't get anywhere else.

Mike:

Quality quality review.

Brent:

Yeah. Casey, did we appreciate that? That definitely seems like the kind of review that makes the apple algorithm do it.

Mike:

I also really liked that name. Casey like Casey Della quesadilla. That's good.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. That that's, that's a, a thoughtful name. You know, my, my youngest son has been grappling with trying to come up with a good username for I think actually my younger son too, for, for like playing Fortnite competitively and stuff like that. Like, you've got to have that like perfect spicy username. It's not obvious how you come up with that.

Brit:

Yeah, it's hard. I've always struggled with my. You might use their names. I'm so finicky. I choose a new one every, every day or something like that. Cause I can never, they never seemed good enough to me. Like I'm always impressed by the ones that seem to stick or you know that either they have these e-sports or Twitch presences or what have you, it's a creativity. I don't, I don't get her. I don't understand. I'm just indecisive and in all things.

Brent:

Right. Right. My tech can come up with.

Mike:

I don't know. I was like 10 in a, I think I saw someone else had combined two Pokemon names together and I was looking for your screen name. and I was like, that sounds like a good idea. So what, and I think I just kind of throw through a bunch of different names together and landed on magnitude. Cause I thought that sounded pretty cool. So, you know, Magnemite at, and that's kind of just what I've stuck with for the last 20 years. Yeah. I don't remember anything in particular beyond that. It's not like, I, I don't even really like those Pokemon all that much. So it's not that.

Brent:

10 years old, already a brain.

Brit:

I think sort of too, like back in the day, as we talked about with just everything being on polka gym, that's how you knew people. You knew people by their usernames, then they're just stuck. So like, you know, when I was first starting those where, you know, it didn't necessarily talk about Jason Kaczynski, but we talked about NES and things like that, all the, all the polka Jim usernames and, you know, poke a pop SD Pokemon, you know, all these names. And it was just how you knew everyone. There were there weren't as in the Facebook groups or anything like that yet it was. And usually it's often they were goofy often, you know, there's, guardian, things like that.

Mike:

Yep.

Brit:

don't know. I just so fun nostalgic clearly of those, those times.

Brent:

But I also, like, I don't know if editor, if it just goes to show that if you like have confidence, any name is good enough, but like, like it just goes to show like people were coming up with names.

Brit:

Yeah.

Mike:

Yeah. And I think, I think nowadays in order for a name to stick, it has to be kind of short, I guess like, like ninja or mango or Laugh-In like, these are all like very concise names, but I feel like that wasn't really the case for a lot of Pokemon players.

Brent:

Yeah. Well, you know, it's, it's interesting. Yeah, I think there's something to that, right. Like I think, I think you know, all the marketing geniuses are all, like, it's like one syllable, two syllable words is like how you do it. But I mean, as always there's exceptions to every rule, I, or I was playing Fortnite like a year ago or something, and this guy killed me and his, his username was the Jewish hammer and I was like, that's a great name.

Mike:

Never forgetting that one.

Brent:

Yeah. Like, You know, years later I'm still like, yeah, it was killed by the Jewish hammer. You can just take that right to the bank. It's incredible. And I'm sure every time he plays with his friends, his friends are like, man, I got the good name. So, so it just goes to show like you can do it both ways, but you're right. I, it's not clear to me how how they come up with those names. Well, yeah, I'll write a book on it at some point, I suppose. Let's talk about debt players, cup four guys. Mike, you want to, you want to tell your side?

Mike:

Yeah. So I just moved to New York this past week and our movers were supposed to come in the morning on Saturday and we're supposed to get there between eight and nine only take a few hours, which, you know, they did end up only taking about an hour and a half, two hours to pack up all our stuff. But on Friday they called me and said, Hey, we can't come in the morning. We can't be there until about one o'clock in the afternoon. So I was like, okay. And players got Forrest started at 11 30, 12 o'clock around there. So I played the first two rounds. I won the first round and then I lost I played Pikarom and then I won the first round against a Tempozard Blacephalon deck. And then round two, I played against Gabe smart in the peek around mirror, not quite 60 card, but pretty close. And we had three really close games. And, but I lost. And so I was one, one, and then the movers came if I was to, oh, I, might've like conceded round three and then tried to pick it back up again. But since I had already lost one, I just figured I gotta do this. This is real life stuff. This is important. So, so I dropped out after after round two. So a little unfortunate that the timing worked out the way that it did, but it's all good. I have some really good friends that did make it, which we will talk about.

Brent:

I, you know, I, it's funny, I hearing the longer version of that story than, than like the text messages you sent. It hits a little differently for me. I felt like I thought I, had called it going in where I was like, they will be late and they will take longer than you expect, but they actually called you on Friday and said they will be late, which I wouldn't have expected. And they didn't necessarily take longer than expected. They, they got it done pretty crisply. How much would that you attribute to that, to the fact that you had three or four hours of just sitting around and packing on Saturday morning while you were waiting for them?

Mike:

That's definitely. Yeah. that's definitely a factor. Though we did, we packed up most of our stuff before that that day, but yeah, it definitely helped. We were able to like clear the space for them to get through and start on a couple of things. But yeah, they were, they were really efficient. This was the first time I've ever used movers and on both ends. Very great, great experience.

Brent:

You know, I think, I think that's definitely a Brit. I don't know if you've had that experience yet, but I definitely think that that's one of the stages of adulting that time when you hire movers,

Brit:

say something very similar.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah, exactly right. Life is too short. You realize at a certain point, life is too short to move yourself or to have to like, try to like convince your friends to help you move. You can just pay these people and they will do it for you like

Brit:

I haven't, I've not personally experienced it yet, but I do Very much understand it as a, once you, once you're there, you never go back

Mike:

Yeah.

Brit:

commitment.

Mike:

That's exactly. We go ahead.

Brit:

there's few things I enjoy less than moving to be sure. I, I get angry. I'm just throw everything away. I like that. That's my approach. You know, I will be moving. We'll be moving from where I am now here in about another month or so. And I've already, I got rid of like three trash bags worth of clothes already. And I just like, there's other stuff I want to get rid of. I'm always, always just trying to get less. I just only have books. Those are the only things I can ever bring myself to get rid of.

Brent:

embracing Asian minimum.

Mike:

that's exactly what Kelly said though. After, after the whole experience, she was like, we can never, ever not use movies.

Brent:

Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, once you try it, you're just like, oh my God, those people just came and moved all the boxes in like 30 minutes. And it would have taken like us hours and hours and hours and like all this, like getting friends involved and all that stuff, like we should just pay these guys. Right.

Mike:

yup. Yup, exactly.

Brent:

Let's, let's talk about other PC four stuff.

Mike:

So, yeah. So Pokestats has all the results or at least all of the top 16 results from the four different regions, they had a pie chart, which, oh yeah, it is on that page as well. Peak rom and rapid strike were by far the most successful decks, not quite 50%, maybe looking at the pie chart, maybe about 35 to 40% maybe. But Def definitely the definitely the most successful decks, which is, I don't know. That makes sense to me. I think Pikarom. Obviously we've been touting peek around for a long time. So I think it was extremely strong, rapid Strake as a kind of a response to be ground as well as being a solid deck in its own. Right. So it makes sense that had a lot of success. I, I was a bunch of people played the same 60 that I played and that I posted on my Twitter last week. I think the only person from north America that made it with my same 60 was Danny Altavilla, but I know of at least one other person that played the same 60 and that's Nicholas gala's from Latin America. He posted his list on Twitter and it was the same exact 60, which, which is cool. I'm not sure about the tour. The tour from Latin America has kind of been one of the other prominent peaker on players. And so I'd be interested to see What list he, played it'd be pretty cool if he played the same 60 as well. So, yeah. And then lots of other decks made it north America was really, really all over the place. I think I sent you guys that list. There's a couple decks that had multiple and then a ton of, one-ups like a mad party. Centiskorch greens, variant one grass MuTu, one Victini really all over the place. So that's

Brent:

What jumped out to me was how I felt like north America is totally stacked.

Mike:

Yeah. Yeah. Right. Like the players themselves, you

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah.

Mike:

So

Brent:

really, really strong a group of players.

Mike:

Yeah. so we have Danny with Pikarom Ross made it with his Tempozard Blacephalon deck, which I don't want to like give away the list, but it definitely, it's, it's a little bit different than the standard lists that are out there. And if you go and look on a, some old limitless results from Ross, you'll kind of see. What that might look like. Alex Szymanski played mad party, Joshua Sutherland playing his LMZ, which to me that's really, I think a lot of people thought that that was a really cool storyline. He went undefeated and apparently you went undefeated Justin games as well. Like he too owed all nine of his opponents with LMZ and and that's really cool because he's had such success with LMZ in this format and just to see him do that, it is sweet. And especially after we talked last week about, LMZ not being maybe as good of a play because of the time rules, but Josh said, Nope, it's still great. And then Alex Garcia, I think he was playing, I forget what he was playing a rapid strike, Gabe Shumway with single strike and Aaron Friedman with with another rapid strike. There's probably other people in this list. I mean, obviously everyone that made it is very good. Those were just the names that jumped out to me.

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. I that's.

Mike:

that's half that's half of them.

Brent:

yeah, exactly, exactly. Like we just, we just named so many people that everybody knows are incredibly good players and, and yeah. Like, I, I definitely think there's a couple of names you left to like list it. Just underscores stack stack.

Mike:

Yeah. Really cool.

Brent:

You know, the one story, I don't know if you guys saw this, but When you talk about that time constraints the one story that I went and looked at during a PC four was Sandra tweeted. He was playing excavator will control. And I was like, ah, I'll go to the end of that Twitch stream. Let me just see what's going on. And I tuned in, and he was four, two with two double game losses.

Mike:

no

Brent:

I was like, yeah, that sounds about right.

Mike:

Yeah.

Brit:

I believe then Hampus Erickson. He made it through with I don't know if it's the same less, but a similar control deck. Pompous.

Brent:

He, I think he was playing a different list cause he was playing the Munchlax.

Brit:

Yeah. Oh yeah. That's just a name. I don't feel like I've heard in a really long time, but it's definitely one, you know, if you've played the game, like he would win, The Nat, their nationals very, very consistently. And I think he did well at worlds a couple of times too, but I don't, I don't feel like he's played really in the modern era. Maybe I'm just wrong, but that's a name I definitely remember from around when I was playing and less these days. So it's not, like we say, it's cool to see old players doing well still.

Brent:

Yeah. I, you know, one of the things that, that was interesting to me so Ross made top 16 last time around, right. Or like top 16 north America.

Mike:

I don't think so.

Brent:

yeah. Cause I assume you would have been like planning decks with him and

Mike:

don't, I don't think he did. He's come close. Oh, he like lost his winning in two topics. and that's what it was.

Brent:

Yeah.

Mike:

He was one went away.

Brent:

what what jumped out to me to particularly, I think when I was looking at the results is like, I felt like there was not a lot of the same players that made top 16 in each region last time, even though, like, I look at all these regions and I think, well, these seem totally stacked, right? Like the, the is did not make it this time, but like Owen cameraman made it Andre made it Pedro Torres made it toward, did qualify again. But like, I was just like, there are so many good players. it just underscores how there's lots of good players.

Mike:

yeah, for sure. Great. You got me thinking about Hampus. He was the one and I just looked him up on a little bit less. He is the one now. Kind of made Sylveon popular three or four years ago. He won, he won a regional with like Sylveon control. And I remember watching that on stream. He was one of the people that made it a popular deck, I think. And he also, yeah. Okay. I remember this. He was like the one person that played the helium at At world the

Brit:

it's 16.

Mike:

the last world, 20, 20 19.

Brit:

Oh yeah.

Mike:

Yeah, I played like the with nine tails and that's where, I don't know if you guys remember. I, I, I messed around a lot with Bahiya Negan, Adele, right after worlds that year. And so I like took a lot of inspiration from, from, from him and his list,

Brent:

I mean, I feel like there was a lot of tests and going into that world. And like all the Turners that are in there, like people, and maybe it was you Mike, like there were so many people I felt like I knew that were trying to make the heme a thing.

Mike:

yeah,

Brent:

And it was just like, it's not just doesn't seem like It's quite a thing enough.

Mike:

good enough.

Brent:

Yeah. Like, like it, it was so like a cell ger looking, but you could never quite get a cell group.

Mike:

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Back to PC four. Yeah. Europe had a lot of, lot of great players that made it through really cool to see Pedro and toured, both make it through with their rapid straight casino deck. I'm curious if they played the same 60. I'm not sure. And then oh yeah. And then Oceana. I know Matt, what's his last name? Matt Burris. Matthew Burris. I think he's made top 16 in Oceania. All four players cups now. So that's really impressive. Yeah.

Brent:

That is impressive. That's wow. I mean, it's funny. I recognize there's I think Oceania more so than any of the other geographies. I feel like there's people That that have been there before. I feel like this is not Matthew brace. First, top 16. Christian has Bonnie. I think he made top 16 before, too,

Mike:

At least one, at least one other time. Maybe two other times.

Brent:

Yeah. So, so. Obviously it's a smaller geography. So the fact that you see like slightly more consistent outcomes by the top performers is maybe consistent with our like early theory moaning about how these things work.

Mike:

Yeah.

Brent:

Are there any things that we should talk about in terms of like all those decks and all that stuff before we just talk about chilling Ryan? Cause I feel like we should just talk about chilling, right?

Brit:

I think so too. Let me just dive in.

Mike:

yeah. There's nothing too crazy there. There's no like super surprising deck that made it through or like or like No one had a secret deck, I guess, I guess is what I'm saying. Coming into this, my biggest takeaway is that a lot of really great players made it in all of the regions. We didn't even really mention Latin America. We said Nicholas gala's Vituro, but also, Jiao I don't know how to say his last name, but I'm like, I've heard that name quite a lot. Gabriel so NATO made it through. So like each region had a lot of notable players, which tells me that the format is actually pretty solid if

Brent:

Yeah, it's kind of skill-based when you say that the top players had top outcomes.

Mike:

Right, exactly. So,

Brit:

pretty

Mike:

that that's, that's like my big takeaway from, from these results.

Brent:

Yeah.

Brit:

I mean, that was one of the things I wanted to say and maybe this will help us segue right. Into chilling rains. but I recall, I think really pretty early on. Yeah. Into the battle styles format, you know, not necessarily knowing if it was good or bad yet, but very being able to tell very early on. that it was the best of the formats that I have played it in since coming back or since just being purely online. And I'm willing, I'm, I'm willing to offer that submit that exact same position again. I've been having a blast with chilling rains and it's, I'm, I'm a little hesitant. I think it will coalesce somewhere close to where. Well, I guess there are enough, there are a couple of good decks that I think are going to be competitors, but I still worry that it'll just end up being peak around or what ADP at the end of the day still. But for the moment there is a lot of different decks out there and I think there's, they have polarizing, match-ups like the, you know, the bliss, the deck is a Mallomar DMX stack. I don't, there's like no way these texts, I don't think are like super good across the board, but they're really good. And they do have good match-ups so I think there's a lot to talk about and I've, I've just been having a blast and I'm looking forward to that continuing. And there's a lot of stuff I didn't expect. Like. The Gloria and mold trace is just particularly versatile. It would seem, people are really good trying to play around with that in a lot of decks. And I know we've seen that it's probably motivated by the Japanese toolbox lists from these other formats that sort of, it's just like a four corners deck with Sylveon Urshifu and mold trays, and like maybe one of their cards that I'm blanking on, but it seems really good to me. And I know, I mean, I guess the sort of star, the most popular card right now is of course shatter rider. And it just seems like, well, maybe this can help you be shattered rider, you know, it's self-sufficient and hits for weakness. Hard, harder to pull off. I'm sure. Since shadow writers tend to play path to the peak. But yeah, just a lot of interesting cards, I think.

Brent:

So just really, before we, before we, I feel like we should just grind through a bunch of decks, but before we do that it would not be a, a timely pod. If we didn't talk about Pokemon's big announcement,

Mike:

Okay. Yeah.

Brent:

we should talk about this guys. I feel like that announcement, they released that right after we talked about whether or not there'd be a season next year to like let people know you know, we got to keep the Trashalanche better informed. We are going to have a season next season. It seemed like my assumption coming out of that is a list of regionals.

Mike:

Perhaps it did make it sound Like, we would get more information fairly soon. That was kind of the vibe that I got. But who knows? We could get late, late

Brent:

I mean, it definitely felt like, Like, they wouldn't put out a press release like that. If they had not told tos, Hey, we're going to have events. Right?

Mike:

Right, Right? Yeah. That's true. They're like they have to have a decent amount of things in the works. If they're going to say something like that.

Brent:

Yeah. So, so like my working assumption is like, obviously CPS are not locked in. I assume regionals are not fully locked down or they would just ship a schedule. But like, I think they must feel like they have enough traction with tos to say, oh yeah, we are going to have regionals. We have a sense of when they're going to start you know, we have a sense of how many there's going to be. And like, we have some feelings about how things are going to work out for this year.

Mike:

And for anyone listening That maybe didn't see the announcement, the broad strokes, and the information that we did get is that they are intending to have a world's 20, 22 in London. It will be a four day world. So instead of a three-day worlds, they'll do a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Unsure exactly how the qualifications will be for Saturday in particular. But it sounds like there'll be some CP bar for Thursday and some CP bar to get into Friday and skip Thursday. And all of the CP that you have gotten in the previous season that would have gone to London 2020 will get carried forward. Did I miss anything?

Brent:

sounds about right. You know, in, in all the pokey parent forums that I've participated in there's there's like lots of discussion. And I think you guys have seen lots of discussion

Mike:

age division stuff. Yeah,

Brent:

The age division stuff. Obviously there are a lot of people who were juniors or, and I think most importantly, like we're top 16 seniors and have banked massive points. And if you just let them roll those points into masters, they are, you know, top masters players and bump you know, existing masters out of the top 16. My feeling is like, that's an easy thing to like deal with.

Mike:

yeah.

Brent:

probably stipend them and then you stipend other people too, and you can carve them out if you want. Like,

Mike:

right, exactly.

Brent:

like on the one hand, you know, the, the answer is it's just like you just write checks, but like, I don't think Pokemon is completely averse to just fixing this problem with.

Mike:

Yeah. So. I actually, I didn't really read since it didn't pertain to me. I didn't really read the details too much. How did they do the age of divisions? Did they do like the medium fix where like They essentially shifted the age divisions one year instead of two years? Is that what it was

Brent:

You know, I haven't gone and actually mapped it out, but I think, I think they shifted it one year, but they didn't say it's a permanent thing. They just said, that's how it is this year. So the good news, I mean, let's be clear. The great news for me is Liam's going to be a senior.

Mike:

Okay. So twin, like world's 2020, he would have still had one more year of seniors. Correct. so with this in theory, this now will be his last year of seniors.

Brent:

exactly.

Mike:

Okay. So

Brent:

So I think, I think it's probably safe to assume. Although they didn't explicitly say it. So it's not a mortal lock that, that they've decided to permanently shift the aged of isms one year, because otherwise, like the resolution would be taking some, some people who are second years, like a year younger than Liam, we have walkers age technically and, and just bumping those people straight to master's and they never get a year of being at the top of the senior slash junior. If this signals a permanent shift, but definitely makes it harder for the, the youngest junior. Because now, like, you know, the oldest juniors are a year older than they were back in the day, but, but like maybe that's not necessarily bad.

Mike:

Yeah. I w I've always thought that it would kind of be nice for masters to just be like 18 and over or something like that. And this is not quite that, but it's a little bit closer so

Brent:

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's an, it's an interesting problem. Like you know, I, I always thought it was a little strange and like split structurally required that, like, Yeah. you had these kids who were like relatively young high school kids who were essentially traveling by themselves to a lot of Pokemon tournaments,

Mike:

right.

Brent:

you know, I mean, maybe that just goes to show that, I'm an over-protective parent, but like you know, it's a it's a weird thing.

Brit:

I don't know. I mean, I had to convince my parents to let me go to nationals when I was still 17, 16, 18, maybe not 18, but definitely, definitely. That was my experience to be sure it was like strangers. And I really don't know about this. Like I remember the first time I went to worlds, like I went with there was a kid in my area. He got, he got second in nationals and juniors. And so I tagged along on their free trip for my first worlds. And I just remember my, my dyad having to talk to him on the phone and things like that.

Brent:

That's good parent thing. I like it.

Brit:

I mean, yeah. I turned out well, I think so.

Brent:

When, when did you stop traveling with your parents? Mike? I mean, you're somebody who started playing when you were super young. Although like, obviously the format was not quite as like evolved in high travel mode.

Mike:

Yeah. I mean, it was a little different for me because I had two younger brothers that played too. There would be some events where I would go myself. Like the first real big event that I went to without my family was world 2007 in Hawaii. I was going to be a junior in high school. It was the summer going into my junior year and I flew to Hawaii by myself. So that was a pretty big jump, but like I did it kind of similar to what Brett was saying. My mom, The Sylvester John's Covestro kind of my mom was in contact with him and there were other adults that were going that my mom was good friends with. And, So, so, so it was okay. But after like really once I, once I went to college, it was kind like really when I started doing things myself

Brent:

you know my, my wife would be like, look, you can go to Fort Wayne by yourself, but if anybody's going to Hawaii, I'm going to like

Mike:

Yes.

Brent:

most of the solo trips to Hawaii. What the heck? All right. Let's talk about chilling rain guys. Where do you, where do you want to start? Brett? Do you want to talk about what you've been doing?

Mike:

Yeah. Maybe, maybe Britain. I can eat. Just kind of give an overview of what we've been doing and then we can dig in a little bit deeper.

Brit:

Yeah. So I know we'll want to hit both of the Calyrex decks. I think kind of, it's not clear what the best way to play them are. There's quite a few different versions of them going around for both of them. They've probably about three or four for both of them. And some, I think clearly are better than others, but I, I don't really have a clue which are but I'll speak on the ice writer. I don't know why I've just really become fixated on this card, but it's really all I've, it's the, most of the most that I've played, I started off right? When I got all the cards, I played shadow rider for the first day, but. I forget when I started playing, I started over it. I don't know if I've played another deck since then. And that would have been, you know, a couple of days now I've been really active playing online too, more so than really I ever usually am. But anyways, so I think that, and I saw I'm blanking on the person who said this. It was in a reply to one of Mela Magikarps tweets, just that sort of summed up the ice rider deck as just the better Victini. And I think that's definitely true. Both in the sense that it takes, it's going to start, it probably takes two prizes on its second turn if it's running well. And then from there, you, you don't really want to trade with V Max's. It's kind of hard. I don't think your damage is quite there to be able to kind of just go two for two with other V maxes. So I think of a lot of time you do try to play a three prize game or rather a two prize, two prize to prize like knockout. And then like in the match-ups that aren't so good. I think you just kind of are relying on path to the peak and hoping it works out well. And I guess to be a little more general with the card, if you don't happen to know, and it does, so it has two attacks, which is really good. They're both very good. The first attack is when we see a lot, it just, it does, it's the same as Boltund in terms of damage. It does 10 plus 30 for each of your opponent's bench. So not a ton of damage. Back in the day, these sorts of attacks were all the damage you needed. These would often take two prizes as one Prizer. So there's like and always have this attack, but it's, it's good enough to soften the board. You can sometimes take prizes with it like early on in the game, maybe against like a one Prizer or something like that. And then it's for a double collar that's not particularly relevant, but maybe it will be one day for weakness guard or something like that. But then its second attack is for, to water. You can discard. One or both of them, I actually thought it was unlimited when I started, when I first built the deck and I was nearly disappointed that it was not,

Brent:

No damage cap.

Brit:

I thought, yeah, it would be, it would be really good if I could discard that third energy to be sure regrettably, I cannot. But then, so that's, I think the deck has some inherent problems and I think it's mostly the math. Like I said about the fee maxes. Sometimes the, some match-ups are really hard, but are really easy to rather some of them are hard and there's, and they're so hard. When you go second as something I've worried about and something, I think I tweeted yesterday in a conversation with Pablo and Luke Marissa, that as much as I'm enjoying the format, It worries me more. So talking about the upcoming format really more than it does now, but I see a lot of the matches really just feel like the opening coin flip to me, these VMX versus V maxes where you want to pop off. And the only way you pop off is going first. A lot of the time, when you go first, get your basic V attach and then the next turn you do whatever it is your deck does, whether that's attacking a shatter rider, attacking was Trevenant or ice rider, they're all kind of the same or Urshifu Victini. And I really worry. It's really hard to, you know, you know, like we've talked about in this sword and shield on format. So how on earth do you in the Victini mirror going second? It's it's a lot of stuff like that. So I'm, I'm apprehensive about that and it's, I definitely, it's a, it's an uphill battle sometimes going First, but I think also too, to bring it back to the welder comment is that it's also the better Victini because I think the Melanie, it was just a more reliable card it's, you know, of course not as powerful, but at the cost of not being, as I think variance driven, it's easier to, it's easier to time getting like one basic water in the, in the discard versus getting two in your hand. Like without giant hearts, like that's just all, you know, variants are all your energy spinner and stuff like that. So I think it's just slightly more reliable of a card. And then there's sort of two ways to play it. You can play it. I've I haven't gotten a good list. That's it got better today. I made some improvements to it and it was running noticeably better, but you can play it with Inteleon or you can play it with chin Chino. And that seemed though it seems to be the two ways that runs. And again, it's, you really want to focus on path to the peak because you just, you don't need it. You play like one to Denny and that's about it. It looks very similar. The, the shin Chino lists that is, looks very similar to the OSHA food. Shouldn't see an A-list is clearly sort of the same core, like clearly borrowed the core because it has like one Snorlax. Sometimes it has one Geraci the, that like Pedro and toward played for the last players. I'm trying to think of anything else. I also, I also too, like, again, I just, I feel like it's missing something. I, I want, I'm trying to figure out a way to solve this damage problem. And I also didn't know that Melanie was only to V Pokemon. So I tried, I was trying to play like something out, like a basic or something. I just like, I want a basic that can do 60, 60 or something like that. Like, that's all I need. Or even just like a hundred for three. That might be enough if it's just a one Prizer but only for via Pokemon, unfortunately. So maybe rapid dash potentially. I'm not sure. But that's a good deck. I think I do. I guess I was one comment and we can jump off to a new deck from here. The heavy I'm torn on these heavy path to the peak decks. Cause like, I don't know, I've played them a lot in the shadow ride. Air lists are generally the same, always playing three or four paths for the peak. If they're not playing like the Aurora version. And it's sort of so often have these hands that have like path. I have two paths of the peaks And I have to Dedenne a and like I often read, like I play the peak early and I, and then I'm just, I'm in a poor position as a result of it, like late game. And I get, you know, Marnie, I get a poor Marnie in my peaks in play. And I'm just dead because of it. I've had, I've had that happen plenty of times too. So I'm, I'm a little conflicted in the card and I know Mikey has expressed sort of some skepticism about whether it'll be good or none. I'm definitely in the same place. It's a hot card right now, but I think sometimes you can just win without it, like it for the ice rider deck. Like you don't beat the Eternatus without it. But I don't know how relevant it is otherwise. But yeah, those are just my thoughts. So I'm stopped talking now.

Mike:

I feel like that is a pretty big reason why I am skeptical of path to the peak. I feel like we had similar situations happen with power plant and, you know, Dex wanting to play power plant, but then getting into situations where, you know, their own power plant is screwing them because they need to Dedenne a, or a type of Layla or something like that. So I, it has performed a little bit better than I expected, but I'd still think there's a lot right. for this format to kind of flush out. so so I think it still remains to be seen to kind of give my overview of what I've been playing. I've also played, even though I had just moved, I feel like I've played a pretty decent amount for how busy I've been with moving. I don't have a ton of new cards I traded for the Inteleon line. so a lot of my plane has been based around Inteleon decks. I started with rapid strike Inteleon that seams it's the most popular Inteleon deck and probably the strongest. And it's pretty good. But I've played Mallomar Inteleon, I've played Dragapult VMX Inteleon I've played Inteleon I've played I built a list for Pika rom Inteleon, but I haven't played a game with that. it doesn't seem that

Brent:

think you're going to play a game with them.

Mike:

I've built a couple of, I built, I played a couple games with Victini Inteleon like I've really just been trying anything I could think of that makes somewhat sense with Inteleon.

Brent:

Have to ask, I haven't traded for any cards yet when I start trying to trade for Inteleon and shadow rider Calyrex as will I just like regret all my life.

Mike:

are really cheap. But the shadow rider. Yeah, definitely.

Brit:

Yeah, I saw, I saw someone did the math again. Unfortunately I apologize. I'm, blanking on your account, but I'm just kind of what the rough average it is to build like a Trevnoir the Trevnoir shadow rider deck. I think it was like 225 packs or something like that. They're all they're all

Mike:

the Trevnoir is, are expensive too though. They're like 30 packs each

Brit:

Yeah. The Trevnoir is, are out of stock and all that. So they're only a promo of course, or they're like really, really they're really expensive. I, I only had, I only even I won, so I did have to get a second one and it was, it was an arm and a leg, at least when it comes to PTCGO.

Mike:

Yeah.

Brent:

Yeah. I really, I really feel like it's going to be pretty.

Mike:

Yeah. So I'm, I'm waiting a little bit longer before I do shadow writers. At least I I, bought, I used it. I used my coins to buy a ton of pack. So I actually have a bunch of the regular it's like, I think I pulled two ice riders. One of the shadow writers, not the V max is just the regular one. So when I do feel like buying them. at least I'll have some of, some of those stuff covered, but but yeah, so I I've, I've mostly just been playing Inteleon stuff. So my big comment and I and I kind of came to this realization yesterday with all of these Inteleon decks, they're all really fun and pretty solid. But the real issue with Inteleon is that by the time you get out, you know, two, sometimes even three Inteleon you get to use their ability once, maybe two times, and then the game ends. And you're usually the one losing. If you're setting up all these Inteleon and not doing other things. So. I feel like Inteleon, whatever deck becomes The most successful deck with, Inteleon probably needs to look to extend somehow extend the games longer. And I don't know what that looks like right now. The most promising that the deck, the deck isn't very good right now, but to the, the most promising deck that I've tried, that hits on that idea of extending the game is Craig and all Inteleon. Just because of your like item locking

Brent:

One, one prize item lock. Let's see if we can make the game take forever and a day and you're hitting pretend damage. So you're certainly not,

Mike:

Yeah.

Brent:

not ending the game quick.

Mike:

But like, even so, so like I've played a lot with Mallomar Inteleon and Mallomar is the new rapid strike card that does for one psychic, you get to shuffle as many rapid straight cards from your hand into your deck. As you want, you do 40 for each one. And so that's like a single prize deck. Right. But even six turns. Cause you're assuming you're getting knocked at every single turn. The game lasts six, maybe seven turns. That's not even enough, really. Like that's not enough, at least for the Inteleon damage to build up. You probably need the game to go like 10 to 12 turns. If not more than that for them to really be impactful. The problem with the Mallomar deck, the malware deck is super fun. I really enjoyed playing that. The problem with it is any healing. You just can't beat that. So you can, so the Blisky, I think I've went like one in six against the Blisky deck because they play for hyper potions and I can never do 300 damage in a turn. So I can't ever one shot of Blessey. And then, so I'm forced to two-shot it, but I don't want to use too many resources too on the first hit, but I it's like a really hard balance. You're trying to like, okay, well, if I hit for a hundred or I guess can't hit for a hundred, but if if I hit for 80, yeah, yeah. If I hit for one, well, so one 20 is like the worst that you could think that you can hit for it because then hyper potion gets its maximum value. So you either want to do something like hit for 80 or hit for like one 60 or 200. But then sometimes if you're like, if, so, if you hit for more, sometimes they have double, hyper potion and then that's really bad. And then sometimes you hit for 80 and then you just. So like maybe variance happens, then you're not actually able to hit for two 20 the next turn. And so it's like, ah, like, so that I I've had a really bad record against Blessey deck. And then I played against Mahoen on his stream. He was playing ice rider and he ran a Cheryl. Brett, have you been playing a shell? Sheryl and ice rider?

Brit:

No, I haven't seen that in lists, you know, mine, I guess. I, you know, I've seen people like would poke a Hawkeye and I think I want to say the main reason I, they put me on to it was I believe Marcos won a tournament like last Thursday, one of the very first days with chilling rains. And I was just looking at the stack and I, like I just don't know how this wins. Like, I was very, very confused. You know, some of those thoughts are still there depending on the match out, but it has grown on me a whole lot, but I haven't tried Cherrelle I've seen Leon occasionally, you know, to talk about my damage problems. So I'd like to try that pretty, pretty, pretty cynical. Even though I used to have the day, day, one of blanking on this set vivid voltage, I think I was, I thought Leon was busted, but

Mike:

maybe it is now but yeah, so like I played against Mahoen who had a Sheryl in his ice rider deck. And that, just destroyed me because yeah. So I, I don't think Mallomar Inteleon is, is all that great. I think the best Inteleon deck is just the rapid strike Inteleon. Just has a lot of synergy, obviously with the rapid strike cards, your GMAC, rapid flow, even, even just like two shouting stuff with Gail threads now becomes so much easier. Think about, you know against the Vic, any other V max, you were always, you know, 1 50, 1 50 is anywhere from 10 to 30 damage short. And now, you know, one or two Inteleon Snipes just gets you there. And you can build it very similar to the gen Chino Urshifu because you're tutoring out cards. so I think the best version of that deck that I've seen is Jake Gearhard has been working on stuff. And if You look at his list, it is, looks, looks much more like the fruit and Chino thing. It plays like bird keepers and things like that. So I like that list. It's, it's really fun. It's really hard to play. I'm definitely a hard deck to play. But yeah I know my hot take last week was Inteleon is a, the, the, the best quote unquote best card in the set And I do think we're seeing some cool stuff and I'm going to keep experimenting, but just the length of games is concerning to me with it. so we'll see how much. more can make a splash going forward. Maybe it'll be better in certain shield on we'll see.

Brit:

That's a consistent feeling or consistent experience that I've had trying my various iterations of ice rider. Inteleon like the drizzles, you know, do, do work every single turn of the prison. I just, it was just weird. like sometimes I just I that's why I've said before, I think on a group chat, but I can't tell, like, it just feels inconsistent. Like I've had games where I, like I've had two or three DROS aisles, like really, really fast. And I just get like Mara needs four turns in a row and I just never find the Inteleon ones. And it's really frustrating. Cause I'm, I'm poised to just blow them over, you know, those games where you got three of them that really fast, like that was written, you know, and it just ends up being frustrating. I will say too, I guess that Inteleon, I just think has always kind of a freebie against a situ I, and I don't have to situate you don't there's no way you'd be decidual high with just chin Chino. So that's, you know, always a consideration, a pretty relevant one for maybe the Urshifu version. If that just ends up being a better way to play it than like the DRI the older Geraci list.

Mike:

Well, that's a good point. And also like any control deck just loses right. To, to a couple Inteleon. So yeah, that, that is a good point. Like Inteleon kind of just autos these fringe decks. Oh, the other thing that you said is another tension that you have playing in these Inteleon index is you want to obviously evolve into drizzle as soon as possible. So you can get your Inteleon, but you also often want to keep a Sabal around because of situations like that, where you get marinade and maybe your only draw or search card that you drop, the Marni is a lovable or an evolution incense, and you want to be able to then, you know, Drew's out for research or something like that. So there is this tension. Do you know, do I, do I evolve all of my sabals or do I keep on around that? But then my Inteleon is coming out even later then. And so there is a bit of an awkwardness with that. I did play one game of Guardi Glade with the Kirlia, you know, that gets a, the gifts, his other Kirlia is out.

Brent:

Right.

Mike:

It's terrible. It's really, really, really bad. I just don't, I don't think it's playable at all right now. And the biggest issue is, You can't do your thing until turn two. So even if you go first, right, you, you get two routes out turn to you, evolve to a Kirlia. By the time you do anything, it's turned three and your opponent's already taken two or three prizes. And maybe if they're an Urshifu deck they've already taken, you know, they've killed two of your Kirlia, as soon as you get them out Gardevoir only has 140 HP. So even if you get a Gardevoir out, it's like a GMs rapid flow plus an Inteleon kills it. It's I don't think Guardi Glade is play a Bon, unfortunately, but I might try, I might mess around with it a little bit in bar, but just one, one game was enough to be like, oh goodness, No.

Brit:

I think just another kind of just consequence of the way, really just these ice rider decks. Maybe you're a belt. Is that it's just, there's so much you have to fit because like now you have to play the Mar shadows and now you've got, you've got basics or now you have to like get MuTu. And that's maybe what I'm talking about. And, and some of the difficulties, particularly against Urshifu like you just, if you're playing these evolutions, you just need, not only, you probably, you know, your deck is built around this game plan where you need these evolutions, but they just, they're just going to die. If you go second and things like that. So you have to get them, you and it's like, oh, you, you know, I'm playing a game at this gimmicky kind of peak deck. I'm playing multiple marsh shadow sometimes. But then I got to make sure I have the muse sometimes too. And it's, there's so many just like lots of tech options right now that does feel like decks are like pressed for space. And I wonder. You know, if this is just the optimal way to build that, because so much of that is, I mean, me as a separate point, but all of these, all the Marc shadow stuff right now is just because of heavy path to the peak. And even sometimes too, you have to get rid of your own peak. Did the DNA. Sometimes I've had that experience playing the shatter rider deck, and that's just kind of embarrassing, I think, which is why maybe I think the ice rider deck is, is at least a better utilization maybe of the peak paths of the peak as a card, because you're not, you know, you're not going against your own deck. If I don't know, I just feel the awkward to me in the, the shadow riders I've played. I started playing, I think something close to Tate. Tate did well and chill last week with shadow rider, I believe with the Trevnoir version. I started there and I just continually had these peak frustrations essentially. And I've just had a lot more success again, not playing it nearly as much as ice rider, but way more success. Playing in chaotic swell and his drawing, lots of cards and powering up Trevnoir is if I feel like it and just being more aggressive, I just can't help. But wonder, like, is this, are these peaks really, really the best way to play it? Or would I be better off with two chaotics? Well, and to reset, stamping just can't I can't help, but feel confident that the reset stamps or insert cards of choice just may be better.

Brent:

Yeah. Do you think that that's because the games are like, so like just like fast, it gets out of hand. Like, I guess my working assumption, having not played a game with the shadow rider, counteract sex is like, it kind of has a little bit of that peak mojo. And that you're like, well, I'm going to Marty him. I'm going to play path of the peak. And then I'm gonna hit with the Nightwatch and like, what's he going to do? He's not going to have anything it's the same going to be garbage. And like, I assume that's the working like mojo of that deck. and you know, I hear it and I say, oh, I know why everybody loves it. that sounds repeatedly set the guy's going to two until he loses.

Brit:

Sorry about that, but yeah, I think that's it, it's, it's both the speed of the games and because of how fast the games are, you just can't afford to have a single bad turn in those turns where you've got, you've got the hand with peek and play and nothing else. It feels bad, you know? So that's, those are my, those are my peak thoughts. I'm very torn and just, just, I mean, it's different for the sh the ice rider deck. It doesn't, It never feels terrible in there. And I don't play Mar shatter or anything like that. I just don't worry about it. If I get swelled or, you know, play more, more stadiums than them anyways, but I'm a cynic of the, the path to the peak shatter either. I will definitely say

Mike:

I'm the, the peak deck that I'm most excited to try is peak around a Azule debuted path to the peak Pikarom last night in the chill event. So really you look at the list and he dropped four crushing hammers, the tomb news, and put in four path to peak, a second ride shoe and some other cards. And really that's, that's like more or less the, the deck. So you're taking a hard, hard loss to rapid strike by not playing YouTube, presumably, but you, you know, we we've talked a lot about peek around being inherently a disruption deck. And so you're kind of dropping the disruption of crushing hammer and adding the disruption of path did peak in combination again with Marnie and reset stamp. Oh. And he plays a marsh shadow as well. So he can get rid of his own path to peak and he still plays to Dedenne a maybe, maybe he doesn't play Crobat any more, but I'm pretty sure I'd have to look at the list again, but, but you still play DNAs, And whatnot. So it's pretty cool. I'm interested to try that shatter rider, that is the first time that I've seen paths to the peak in a deck. This actually makes sense, like pick around as a fairly self-sufficient deck. Once you get going, you know, you just get energies and hit big and pat and plus plus the Marnie's and stamps with disruptions. And obviously a ride shoe with tandem shock is insane. So going like stamp to two tandem shock with path to the peak in play is kind of nutty. So pretty, pretty interested in, in trying that I think he got

Brent:

a lot of pressure on them to find stuff. right. So, so here's my question. I know Pokemon leans hard into the like rock paper scissors model of Metta, it creation, but like, I guess, I guess, I was waiting for you to be like, oh, it turns out because the best I can format because like shadow writer Calyrex has chased out all the rapids striker Urshifu. But, I, I feel like besides shadow rider, Calyrex the big deck that I feel like I see people talk about is Urshifu with the sights and the and like going crazy with the rapid flows. And have you guys, you guys have any strong opinions on that Cause I feel like it's the one big deck that we haven't really talked.

Mike:

Yeah. So, I mean, this is just like an extension of the Geraci version of rapid strike rate. We kind of just add a couple of new cards.

Brent:

Yeah. I mean, I think the big thing now is you can go like 180, 180 on the batch theoretically. right.

Mike:

Yeah. Both versions of OSHA food, the Geraci version and the Inteleon, they, speaking of, kind of like the rock paper scissors, they can beat the shadow riders that don't play paths to the peak, like the swell versions, but I don't think they can beat the versions of that play path to be because they just shut off the Geraci GX, the, and then they have weakness and I don't think you can. win

Brent:

Yeah. They just get wrecked, right? Yeah.

Mike:

yeah, Brett, any thing else on that?

Brit:

No. I mean, that seems Right, to me. I it's, it's really good still. And but it doesn't seem all that different in general. I think.

Mike:

yeah, and I think that, like the reason that it's really stayed around and kind of rock paper, scissor thing again, is Eternatus is very good for two reasons. The main reason that it beats the crap out of shadow writer cause of weakness you can still lose with you know, just getting marinade And Trevnoir, but generally that? matchup is good. And and, and you guys talked about Brett, you talked. about matrass earlier, Multry solves one of Eternatus his biggest problems, which was energy. And so you just play some energy switch plus two mattress and feeling pretty good. So, so yeah. Eternatus Urshifu chatter rider is this big triangle of weakness stuff. I think rapid strike rabbits, any of them can lose too. It's good matchup, but in general, Yeah. the that's kind of the triangle.

Brent:

Right, right. Like Yeah. If, if the shadow rider guys find like path of the peak And they just have no answer, it's hard to expect them to stall out and be like, oh, we're going to sit here And drop, pass for a few turns. But like it seems very the, the, the the new, like energy acceleration fraternities seem to awesome. Awesome. What's that?

Mike:

Yeah. And so I, I'm not particularly interested in playing a deck playing one of those three decks. I would rather try and find something that is outside those triangle and outside of that triangle that can compete with them. So. Pikarom is enticing for that reason though. You know, you, you do get body by rapid strike and, but you don't have to play hammers anymore. And I think, and I think that was what was so cool about Missoula's realization is that the main reason you played hammers and Pikarom was for Eternatus and now hammers don't really do the same thing that they did anymore because of So let's try and find a different way to be Eternatus and turns out Marty plus path to the peak is very good against attorneys. So so there you go. Yeah,

Brent:

Should we talk about blaze akin for a second?

Brit:

It's it's a deck. I don't have, I barely know. I saw, I saw it did well. Then an event last night, I, think it was like six places in the top eight somewhere, but I don't, I haven't played it. I don't even have, the cards for it. Yeah I'll be curious to see where it, goes, but it's not been an on my radar whatsoever. I think it's like, like we said earlier, I think this just kind of becomes that four corners deck and people are trying a little bit earlier or something like that. It just, I don't know.

Mike:

Yeah, I, I also haven't played it, but

Brit:

Yeah.

Mike:

blade skin is a really cool card to me. I I'm skeptical that Zara aura is going to be good in the format. But yeah, so last night we saw a blaze Ginza or for the first time do well in a tournament. I got top four. It looks like, and the list is, I don't know, it's kind of like blaze gate and Octillery with Zara or I'm interested in Blasic and just maybe without Zororoc. it does for two color, that's one 30 and then you can attach an energy card to, to bench rapid strike Pokemon. So you can attach rapid strike energy, which is sweets. So I w I want to try something with Cheryl with this, and just kind of like bop between two blaze Akins. Cause you can just always like recycle the rapid strike energy. That seems like it. could be good to me. I mean, you're only doing one 30, so maybe it's not that good, but I don't know. Maybe, maybe Blasic in Inteleon is the, is the real way to play Inteleon

Brit:

And you'd get a lot of, I know the list that did well last night played a pretty, I believe a three to Octillery a pretty thick on. And So, the samples, the samples are going to be particularly live for that deck. If you, if you ever have to attack with them and things like that.

Mike:

So, Yeah. blaze again is, but he's getting seems like a really cool card and waiting to be, I'm not convinced, I guess I just mean I'm not convinced that Zara aura is the necessary partner, maybe as a one one-up or something like that. But like this list and the, all the lists that I've seen have been very focused on Xero or with like telescopic sites and type of cocoa prism star and things like that. And then all of that just doesn't seem very good to me when you is in the format. And maybe there's just another way to play, play skin. But so once I, once I get at, once I get plays against which may be sooner than, than later, because it's probably the cheapest, the max of the setup I will I'll report back.

Brent:

Any other decks that we should talk about guys.

Brit:

I mean, we've mentioned like the Mallomar V max, but I haven't played it. I'm pretty skeptical of them. I just think Urshifu is better than it was last format. And I just don't, I don't think that these fighting week decks really have a chance. And that's, that's sort of where I am with the peak on deck. I do think that the path to the, this is the peak, the peak is that seems like a very good deck, but I don't know if your deck can exist in do well in a meadow game that hardly the Urshifu right now. I know Vinny Vinny seems to think it's very good and Vinny is a very good player. So, you know, I, I trust what he says you know, the, the, his results don't don't back him up at least currently,

Brent:

Okay.

Brit:

but there there's a he's, he's got a really good player group. They're all very talented, all part of the ice rider train to at least earlier, earlier in the format. I know, I guess not a new deck, but I was talking about this in the group chat. Without noticing I was wondering about like, where's LMZ then LMZ seems really good against all of them. But it did have, it did have a good showing last night and I think too will what's that?

Mike:

I was just gonna say it for the first time, really? In this format, it like had some really

Brit:

yeah. The, the, I woke up this morning and was just confused. I was like, wait, like there's no, like past the peak really doesn't do a whole lot, like, You know, you lose Zamazenta and I know that you're already playing like chaotic swell. It seems like that. So the list last night, you know, we're heavier on the swell and even played on our shadow, but there's no, there's no way I tried like, kinda will ever beat that decks because of the weakness. And I, I think it's just fine against the shadow rider, because again, it's this weird sort of like awkwardness because you're the, you're the shadow writer you need to. The path to the peak down so you can hit Zamazenta, but when you're passing the peak down, you're sort of going against yourself. You're never going to have enough. You're not going to be able to like stack a ton of psychic, introduced to really be like pushing a map, pushing out threatening amounts of damage. And then like if the full mental walls go off at the right time it seems pretty good. Like I know it didn't win, obviously. So maybe the, at least the psychic shadow writer or redundant but at least that deck can beat it potentially. But I'm sure it still has a good Urshifu match up. You know, with the goggles, we'll still stop Inteleon if that ends up being the preferred way to play it. So I imagine that will stay the same. And again, Eternatus is, is a hot pick right now, still a free match up. I would think.

Mike:

Yeah, because I think they can't really fit the Phoebe as if they're playing the multiparous energy switch package. And mochas gives them an attacker, but you can just kill them. it's not like mulcher it's one shot to Zamazenta or anything. So yeah. How long has he does see. If bill, it probably needs to keep adapting just a little bit. Just like how peek around can adapt a little bit and be good in the, format. I feel like LMZ will continue to. be a very strong force. Speaking of Zacian index, I also think ADP is probably very good. I think it's not being played right now very much while people try all these new things, but it got to well, I got the the target whistle card echoing horn, I believe is the name of it. So, that's probably going to get played and I have played maybe like five games or so with ADP testing out peony. Is that how you say it?

Brent:

That sounds right.

Mike:

it's the supporter that you discard your hand and search for two trainer cards from your deck and. I don't know if I've been testing a list with four peony and just kind of like seeing what that look felt like, I guess it's kind of similar in theory to the clay DP and it was okay. But there might be a list where you play like one or two peonies or something like that. But the idea is that you can just like always search out the cards that you need to finish getting the GX turned on or

Brent:

Right, You basically always get the turn one. GX does. You're like I'm going to get this energy spinner and this energy switch or energy has been in metal saucer.

Mike:

Yeah. So I dunno, I feel like there there's some, there's some room to explore ADP right now with, with stuff like That so just, just, just to just worth mentioning, if you don't own, if you don't own a can't afford any of the new cards, you can still try some ADP stuff.

Brent:

Yeah, I, and you know, if that's a problem, you go grind the letter and get ADP's the family.

Mike:

Yeah, that's true

Brit:

Back to the, get all reliable tag team Pokemon don't need any of these new cars.

Mike:

Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. We talked about all the new cards now think. around LMZ ADP still. Great.

Brit:

that's great. Look at all the new tax. None of them.

Mike:

The only other new deck that has been pretty popular that we didn't re I mentioned it briefly, but is the bliss deck? The quad, the deck seems really cool. I've played against that a lot on ladder. It doesn't seem like it's done super well in tournament. So I don't actually know how good It is, but it's a, it's definitely a really cool deck. It just runs like four of everything for Haku, for hammer, for hyper potion. I have seen some lists that don't run hammer and they run a couple of psychic energies and run a, I don't know what it's called something tin where you discard a psychic from a guy and then he'll 80. So it's like extra healing. And in your run for path to peak, obviously. So this is pretty cool deck Brett, I don't know if you've played it, but I'm sure you've played against it.

Brit:

Yeah, it's the, it's the deck. I want to try the most, but don't currently have the cards for, I have, I have about like 30 packs floating still. Hopefully, but that should probably be enough for forecloses, hopefully. Maybe, but Yeah, that's, it's the, it's the one I'm most interested in. I don't have the weave I don't have, but I don't think I really gonna bother trading for them. like there's, there's not a deck. I dislike more than it turned into this. I think I probably, I remember playing it for a tournament and I was just so bored. But I really want to try the plus the deck. It looks like a lot of fun.

Mike:

I'm surprised. So I'm looking at like the, the best performing Blessey from chill three out of its four. Nope. One, two.

Brit:

Yeah,

Mike:

Yeah, three out of his four losses were, are where to shadow writer. I'm a little surprised. I feel like shadow rider should be a good metric, but maybe they just have so much time to just attach, attach, attach that they get to one shot of Glissy at some point, maybe that's it Okay.

Brit:

Yeah. I'm not sure. I would think that the bliss deck probably is like pretty bad against like stamps and mourning and things

Brent:

Yeah. that's what I was going to say is

Brit:

it might just be that the

Brent:

I, obviously, I fantasize that every time I watch people, they just lose, but like, it seems like nightwatching Boosie decks.

Mike:

Well, so yes and no. Cause you play, what is the energy lucky energy. I think it's called that when you get hit, you draw card. So. Like you can get like stamped or marinade. And if you have two or three of those energy on, which is not that hard because of the attack you get to draw an extra two or three cards. So I'm sure, Like I'm sure Marnie and stuff hurts quite a bit, but at least that's a way to mitigate it a little bit. But I guess, I guess that makes sense though. Cause the main time that I played against blister was when I was playing the Mallomar Inteleon deck. and I didn't play any hand reset. So they would just like build up huge hands and always have exactly what they needed. So you're, you're probably right.

Brent:

Guys, anything else we should talk.

Brit:

No.

Mike:

time to be playing Pokemon

Brent:

It is an exciting time. I mean you know, and I feel like people are gearing up because it seems like there's promise of in-person events coming soon.

Brit:

That's scary though. I, don't have any, I don't have any cards. I queued up this like $400, $500, like TCG play order, like mid last week. And I was stocking up and getting my Victini getting my Urshifu. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. I changed my mind at the last second. I, will wait a little bit longer.

Mike:

Yeah. I I didn't go that far, but I did. I kind of did something similar, but I did buy, I bought my first cards last week to get shipped to the new apartment because partially cause I wanted some new cards obviously, but partially I need a I need like a proof of residency. So like a nail helps with that, but I, yeah, I bought four Crow bats and. To Victini V is cause they were also like on the same TCG players, You know, store or whatever. And the Chromebooks were pretty cheap. I think, I think there are, it'd be like four bucks each or something like, that. So I was like, I know, I want, I know No. matter what I'm going to want for Crobat so that's at least a very safe bye.

Brent:

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, and they just announced, did you guys read about this Pokemon celebrations?

Mike:

Okay. Yeah. For about 20 minutes I was excited and now I'm not because none of them are going to be illegal anyway.

Brit:

same.

Brent:

Yeah. So it's worth taking a moment to note that Pokemon announced that they were going to have a whole new, like ETB of Pokemon celebrations cards, which all seemed totally weird at end yet. Apparently are not going to be legal at all.

Brit:

I like the design. I think that's a, it was a wonderful idea. It's so, so cool. I think from a design perspective, at least for us old heads, to getting to, getting to see, you know, sort of the history of the game with, you know, a prime Dragapult to level X station and things like that. It's cool. I hopefully like maybe that'll be, you know, it's collector bay or something like that. They'll go the collectors go crazy for that sadness. Competitors can get our cards again, something like that, maybe. Yeah. I don't know. don't know.

Brent:

All right. Take it easy guys.

Brit:

Thank you.